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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by Ayesh »

j88439h84 wrote: post #139
dmw_ng wrote: post #63

This is an awesome change! In case anyone else was wondering, here's what you lose by cancelling: You are downgrading to GitHub Free After April 15, 2020, ... features and limits will change: Protected branches in private repos Draft PRs in private repos GitHub Pages in private repos (using 1) Wikis in private repos Code owners in private repos Multiple issue assignees in private repos Multiple PR assignees in privat…

I hope GitHub allows protected branches in private repos. They're really important for everyone, not just enterprises.

They do, even at $4/mo/user plan.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by patrickaljord »

alecbenzer wrote: post #150
microdrum wrote: post #101

So it will be free until the competition dies, and then it will be expensive? Like... everything MSFT and GOOG have ever done? Great.

When has GOOG made something expensive once the competition died? I guess for that matter... also when has MSFT? I buy they have, but not aware of any examples of the top of my head.

Google Maps, translate etc.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by tracker1 »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #478
tracker1 wrote: post #454

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A lot of things use YAML for configuration... what would you prefer for configuration? XML?

I want to write a Dockerfile. I don't particularly have an issue with YAML.

then why not write a dockerfile, and have your yaml, just do the docker build... command?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by disillusioned »

martinwoodward wrote: post #304
freyfogle wrote: post #292

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I currently pay for a Github Silver plan annually ($600). When I try to downgrade to Free I get a message (in red) "You will no longer be able to access your private repositories or create new private repositories." How do I downgrade without losing all my private repos. Thank you!

Martin from GitHub here. Sorry about that message - team are rolling out an update to change the text and should be fixed soon. In the meantime if you ignore that message and downgrade from a legacy plan to Free then you will retain access to your private repositories.

Is the system supposed to be charging for outside collaborators on the Team plan still? The language makes it sound like those should be free now.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by Ayesh »

hinkley wrote: post #102
thereyougo wrote: post #15

Very few companies can make me feel like part of their journey like Github (Cloudflare also) They understand their target audience more than most of the companies out there. When they are making moves such as this, they explain what was behind it. I find it authentic.

Speaking of, I just had a momentary panic because Backblaze’s hard disk report timeline is missing a link to the last update (from February) and I thought maybe they’d stopped doing them... Who else is good at this? I’m somewhat fond of Digital Ocean’s docs.

Not for the technical aspects, but I'm fond of TransferWise an Signal. Even within Microsoft, their WSL, and new terminal are well-received in open source communities.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by Ayesh »

bdcravens wrote: post #83
LifeIsBio wrote: post #2

This is pretty cool. Anyone have thoughts as to _why_ they’re making this move?

The fact that they're mirroring Gitlab's offering probably suggests that Gitlab is capturing market share from them. It's probably happening more now, as companies are taking very serious looks at their expenses.

I'm sure GitHub lands a lot more Enterprise customers compared to Gitlab, but for individual users who use organizations to have a separation in repos, and smaller teams, this price change is very convincing to move to GitHub even for teams, now that private repos are free.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by quadrangle »

ghshephard wrote: post #465
chubot wrote: post #230

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> First, Microsoft was evil back then because they didn't just rely on excellent pricing and features (both of which they had) - but also because they leveraged their monopoly in one market (desktop operating systems) to prevent competition in adjacent markets (browsers). Isn't that exactly what's happening here? Gitlab competes with Github, but doesn't have the equivalent of Azure to subsidize it with. Azure compete…

The question of whether you are a monopoly is really important. Once effectively everybody is using your platform, there are restrictions on your behavior. Being the category leader is very different than being a monopoly. And, note, that there is, and obviously wouldn't be, a law against a monopolist giving it's monopoly product away for free - That's kind of like anti-leveraging. Look at this from a different persp…

EEE strategy doesn't require starting out as a monopoly, it's just that it's easier if you're already a monopoly.

One could argue that EEE is a strategy to gain monopoly status. Microsoft does NOT have a monopoly in this space currently, but perhaps they want to get one (but only in practice, not quite legally recognized as one).

I see nothing wrong with bringing up EEE before it happens. Which scenario is more likely to discourage the tactic (A) nobody cares until the second E or (B) people are worried about any hint of it.

What is Microsoft doing right now to remove EEE from their options? For example, they could release the whole GitHub codebase under AGPL, and that would be quite a reassurance but not a guarantee.

"It is easier to avoid temptation than to resist it" — Dan Ariely

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by oars »

kevindong wrote: post #385

By and far the main difference between 'Team' ($4/person/month) and 'Enterprise' ($21/person/month) is SSO/LDAP [0]. The SSO tax is real [1]. [0]: https://github.com/pricing [1]: https://sso.tax/

On sso.tax, it states that "Single sign-on (SSO) is a mechanism for outsourcing the authentication for your website (or other product) to a third party identity provider, such as Google, Facebook, Okta, PingFederate, etc."

Isn't this the definition of Federation, rather than SSO?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by hiram112 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #453
nrr wrote: post #451

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I appreciate the idealism here, but the reality is that trying to run a business under the pretense of free speech absolutism can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment. With the loss of that market segment likely comes the grumbling of investors, to whom ultimately the executive management is beholden. Grumbly investors beget grumbly board members, who then vote to oust executives to correct the profitabili…

> can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment How are you going to alienate/lose customers by not getting rid of customers? If anything, I'd argue the opposite; a platform that refuses to ban legal content is one that I find easier to trust (for a counterexample, see Google). It's not even like github-like companies are social networks where you can claim that one user's experience of the platform is made wor…

We all know that the most vocal on the left, who want to silence anyone who doesn't pander to their political ideals, pressure public companies, advertisers, etc. to 'cancel' those who refuse to go along - drop their advertising, cut off their servers, purge their DNS, ban their accounts, shame them relentlessly until they disappear.

Most US companies these days have no morals, and are easily influenced by these tactics due to greed and fear of being targeted themselves. Silicon Valley and the majority of the big tech companies seem to be especially vulnerable to this, probably due to their own employee demographics.

What many of these companies don't understand, possibly because they live in a relative 'bubble' surrounded by those who think similarly, is that there are a lot of us out there who not only disagree with this type of behavior, but will actively NOT use the services of any company who supports these types of tactics.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by Ayesh »

oliwarner wrote: post #178

Thank in large part to GitLab for pushing the market forward on affordable collaborative development. We moved across when GH did their pricing changed. Free CI/CD well before "actions". Never looked back.

Bitbucket offered free repos before Gitlab, but Gitlab did an amazing job making it affordable and as good as githubs offerings.

It's always pleasantly surprisingly to go to Gitlab and see how much they continue to improve.

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