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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by nrr »

sytelus wrote: post #431
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #123

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> Content moderation at GitHub scale is hard and sometimes mistakes are made. This is completely fair, but lack of transparency makes it significantly more frustrating.

No, it’s not fair. Banning a repo should be taken as seriously as banning a book. Living in a country that is US where github HQ is hosted, freedom of speech should be prized and cared for dearly. For a commercial company, there should be only one reason to ban a repo and that is to abide with a law. For even that company should do everything in its power to prevent that or provide a viable lawful alternative. This s…

I appreciate the idealism here, but the reality is that trying to run a business under the pretense of free speech absolutism can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment. With the loss of that market segment likely comes the grumbling of investors, to whom ultimately the executive management is beholden.

Grumbly investors beget grumbly board members, who then vote to oust executives to correct the profitability problem.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by yani »

bamboozled wrote: post #449
colinloretz wrote: post #437

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Read his comment again. They are supporting the free plans with Github Enterprise. > We've wanted to make this change for the last 18 months, but needed our Enterprise business to be big enough to enable the free use of GitHub by the rest of the world. I'm happy to say that it's grown dramatically in the last year, and so we're able to make GitHub free for teams that don't need Enterprise features.

Being an SRE who’s worked for a lot of different companies, I can tell you building and hosting something like GitHub is expensive, it seems unreal to me they’re selling enough self hosted solutions to pay for everything and keep GitHub profitable.

Business and first class on planes pays for the trip. Economy can be free.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

nrr wrote: post #451
sytelus wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s not fair. Banning a repo should be taken as seriously as banning a book. Living in a country that is US where github HQ is hosted, freedom of speech should be prized and cared for dearly. For a commercial company, there should be only one reason to ban a repo and that is to abide with a law. For even that company should do everything in its power to prevent that or provide a viable lawful alternative. This s…

I appreciate the idealism here, but the reality is that trying to run a business under the pretense of free speech absolutism can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment. With the loss of that market segment likely comes the grumbling of investors, to whom ultimately the executive management is beholden. Grumbly investors beget grumbly board members, who then vote to oust executives to correct the profitabili…

> can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment

How are you going to alienate/lose customers by not getting rid of customers? If anything, I'd argue the opposite; a platform that refuses to ban legal content is one that I find easier to trust (for a counterexample, see Google). It's not even like github-like companies are social networks where you can claim that one user's experience of the platform is made worse by another user's posts.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by tracker1 »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #420
tracker1 wrote: post #393

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I don't think it was particularly difficult to use... the multi-os targets are probably about the most confusing. I tend to stick with bare scripts and npm scripts as much as possible though, so the environment doesn't matter as much.

The YAML configuration is something I have to learn that provides no value-add outside of GitHub. If it was at least based on Docker, you could re-use existing technical knowledge or teach people something that's valuable in other contexts.

A lot of things use YAML for configuration... what would you prefer for configuration? XML?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by Shank »

danpalmer wrote: post #355
adverbly wrote: post #291

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> Great news for everyone Not true. The new Team plan will be a downgrade in specs from the old teams plan. For example it only includes 3000 Github Action minutes. The old plan included 10000. The next plan up would be > 2 * old price. Source: https://github.com/pricing vs http://web.archive.org/web/20200406010552/https://github.com...

You can buy extra build minutes. The missing 7k minutes would cost $56, which means teams with 12 or more devs who are using the full 10k minutes will be better off. Smaller teams using more than 10k will be worse off. It’s probably great news for the vast majority of teams.

This is only true if you're using exclusively Linux runners. If those same 7,000 minutes are on macOS, you're paying $560. On Windows, $112. At my company, we definitely use a mixture of all three for various things, so this will sting, with varying degrees, depending on how often we build new iOS, Mac, and Windows releases.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by iamaelephant »

sneak wrote: post #81
yingw787 wrote: post #8

Well, this is amazing! I never would have thought the Microsoft acquisition would have these kinds of results! Congrats to Nat and the GitHub team (and by extension Microsoft) for making this possible! I wonder whether this is a result of market conditions, or whether GitHub sees this is a first-to-market play of some sort, or whether it's something else. I hate to be a cynic given how much good Microsoft + GitHub ha…

I feel like anyone who lived through the 90s could have expected "these kinds of results". Git is open source and widely supported, which doesn't benefit Microsoft. By causing GitHub-specific features to be an essential part of a "modern" or "industry standard" git workflow, they can capture more marketshare/attention, and cause alternatives to be sidelined. This requires removing all friction to entering the proprie…

You people are deranged beyond help.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by koheripbal »

bhk wrote: post #250
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #209

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Transparency can give bad actors a way to game and workaround the system.

How is "game and workaround the system" different from "comply with policies"? Is compliance not the objective?

Do you honestly not understand a difference between people who comply in good faith vs people who simply skirt the rules?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by koheripbal »

vbezhenar wrote: post #246
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #209

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Transparency can give bad actors a way to game and workaround the system.

We're living with transparent juridical system and it works fine. Imagine that you could be thrown to jail without explaining a reason. That would be outrageous.

Are you willing to pay taxes for github usage!? You get what you pay for.
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