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California’s Roadmap to Modify the Stay-at-Home Order [pdf]

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I personally think we need a county-by-county approach. There is a high variation of the infection at local levels. All the news is currently about how bad New York is and it's true but we're not all New York. http://www.countycovid19.com/

Thanks for sharing the link. But how do you enforce stay-at-home policies or any rigorous public health policies, in populated counties that border each other, such as San Francisco and San Mateo counties, or LA and Orang counties.

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This entire plan is based on models that do not align with what we are seeing. The graph on slide two[1] of the official CA govt plan shows hospitalizations With Intervention rising exponentially, exceeding our hospital capacity in early June. The actual new infection data shows that the rate of new infections has been decreasing since at least 4/4 [2], meaning that the graph of active hospitalizations should be a be…

> The graph on slide two[1] of the official CA govt plan shows hospitalizations With Intervention rising exponentially It does not. The exponential curve, per the graph legend, is what would be expected without intervention.

The light blue curve, labeled "With Intervention", is an upward-facing concave curve. Even if it were linear, it does not align with the observed data referenced in the link labeled [2].

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I’d like to see something that’s clear and doesn’t risk so much on rapid accurate testing and tracking of... everyone with significant delayed feedback. Something that could be done in rural areas or even developing countries. A reliable next step in the Hammer and the Dance. I found this: http://pandemicbreak.org/

Anecdote: My wife and I were tested at Stanford today. There was no line, the process took 5-10 minutes and we never left the car. We were told to expect results in 24 hours. Widespread testing might not be that far off and feedback might not be that delayed. Edit: Since HN won't let me comment fast enough I figured I'd share the information here. We were referred to Stanford by our PCP yesterday. We were not members…

Where can I find out more about this?

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post #30

This entire plan is based on models that do not align with what we are seeing. The graph on slide two[1] of the official CA govt plan shows hospitalizations With Intervention rising exponentially, exceeding our hospital capacity in early June. The actual new infection data shows that the rate of new infections has been decreasing since at least 4/4 [2], meaning that the graph of active hospitalizations should be a be…

That makes you think it should be a bell curve? Are you arguing it will be a bell curve with such a peak, even if restrictions are weakened or removed? That is unlikely.

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#45
Thanks for sharing this. The first slide throws two pretty big hurdles to reopening - testing and contact tracing. While Google and Amazon are working on contact tracing, it's not clear when it'll be widely implemented or when tests will become prevalent. If the stay-at-home order is conditioned on the implementation of those two indicators, then we may be waiting for a while.

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#46
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdote: My wife and I were tested at Stanford today. There was no line, the process took 5-10 minutes and we never left the car. We were told to expect results in 24 hours. Widespread testing might not be that far off and feedback might not be that delayed. Edit: Since HN won't let me comment fast enough I figured I'd share the information here. We were referred to Stanford by our PCP yesterday. We were not members…

Where can I find out more about this?

Call your doctor. Our experience would seem to indicate any PCP can refer you into the system.

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Thanks for sharing this. The first slide throws two pretty big hurdles to reopening - testing and contact tracing. While Google and Amazon are working on contact tracing, it's not clear when it'll be widely implemented or when tests will become prevalent. If the stay-at-home order is conditioned on the implementation of those two indicators, then we may be waiting for a while.

Contact tracing requires shoe leather not tech.

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This entire plan is based on models that do not align with what we are seeing. The graph on slide two[1] of the official CA govt plan shows hospitalizations With Intervention rising exponentially, exceeding our hospital capacity in early June. The actual new infection data shows that the rate of new infections has been decreasing since at least 4/4 [2], meaning that the graph of active hospitalizations should be a be…

That makes you think it should be a bell curve? Are you arguing it will be a bell curve with such a peak, even if restrictions are weakened or removed? That is unlikely.

I am not. I am arguing that the current trajectory data we're observing [2] does not align with the projections of our current trajectory provided by the government of California (the light blue line labeled 'With Intervention' [1])

[1] https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/California.... [2] https://covid-19.direct/state/CA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said during the press conference that exact dates might be available in two-four weeks. He wants to see a further reduction in hospitalizations, an increase in testing, and a supply chain for PPE before committing to reopening dates.

Ok, thanks for the additional context. Was there any mention of actual targets for these things? Ex. "I'd like to see a 10% reduction of hospitalizations and at least 1M tests."

Why would there be? If something goes really wrong in one of those pushing it off a goal is going to be a problem.

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#50
They should quit padding the numbers if they're so concerned about minimizing fatalities.

A man gets hit by a bus and tests positive for Coronavirus, I don't care what the science has to say about it, that is not a Coronavirus death and you can't change my mind.

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