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Talking about cpap machine, I did some research on it, and found that they are regulated medical device and cannot be purchased without prescription. I suffer chronicle dry nose, moderate empty nose syndrome on the right side (due to surgery done 20 years ago in China), and Deviated Septum (due to injury as kid). One thing often happen to me is during middle of nigh sleep, my left nose duct will be extremely dry, cau…

If you just want moisture and not pressure you might want to look at a nebulizer rather than a cpap.

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#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's okay to show someone how to make something extremely hazardous as long as you include a flimsy nonspecific disclaimer?

Actually yes(not that this is particularly dangerous) . It happens litteraly all the time. Ever seen all those "don't try this at home" disclaimers? Also someone published a book called "the anarchist cook book" on how to make rudimentary explosives and manufacture illicit substances such as LSD. You can find a pdf of it with a quick google search.

Both of those have fairly obvious consequences. I can definitely see people using this and not recognizing it can put other people in harms way.

Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators

#93
post #81

The CPAP jailbreak community was eye-opening when I first learned of it. I never expected something like that, but with the draconian policies it's not surprising. For example, my CPAP has a CDMA radio inside, which transmits usage data back to the manufacturer & my doctor. Insurance won't pay for it unless the machine tells them I'm using it – so a medical device company has a record of when I sleep and wake, which…

The CPAP world is a microcosm of what's wrong in the medical world, i.e. why things cost so much. A CPAP machines costs about 10x as much as it should, and a part of that is insurance companies wanting to make sure they are not paying for a device you are not using. Which then increases the price, which makes insurance companies even more worried about them. Then you are paternalism where only a Dr. is allowed to cha…

Maybe it's my bias, but I assume most of that 10x comes from the overly strict medical device regulations from the FDA.

Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators

#94

Talking about cpap machine, I did some research on it, and found that they are regulated medical device and cannot be purchased without prescription. I suffer chronicle dry nose, moderate empty nose syndrome on the right side (due to surgery done 20 years ago in China), and Deviated Septum (due to injury as kid). One thing often happen to me is during middle of nigh sleep, my left nose duct will be extremely dry, cau…

You can find CPAPs on eBay, but my understanding is that you'd want a sleep study to validate the correct pressure settings. Are you sure you can't just set up a room humidifier?

Or sleep with a face mask with a Heat and Moisture Exchanger(HME) in it?

Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators

#95
post #81

The CPAP jailbreak community was eye-opening when I first learned of it. I never expected something like that, but with the draconian policies it's not surprising. For example, my CPAP has a CDMA radio inside, which transmits usage data back to the manufacturer & my doctor. Insurance won't pay for it unless the machine tells them I'm using it – so a medical device company has a record of when I sleep and wake, which…

The CPAP world is a microcosm of what's wrong in the medical world, i.e. why things cost so much. A CPAP machines costs about 10x as much as it should, and a part of that is insurance companies wanting to make sure they are not paying for a device you are not using. Which then increases the price, which makes insurance companies even more worried about them. Then you are paternalism where only a Dr. is allowed to cha…

Its worse than that. Before receiving a CPAP machine ~$1,000, most doctor's require a sleep study, which costs many thousands of dollars, and many times wait months to get the appointment. CPAP machines are usually the ultimate solution to reported sleep problems involving repeatedly waking up, and I don't see why they can't be prescribed immediately to see if they solve the problem.

Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators

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Not a doctor. But I am seeing growing evidence that ventilators are overused potentially. From ref [1]: > But as doctors learn more about treating Covid-19, and question old dogma about blood oxygen and the need for ventilators, they might be able to substitute simpler and more widely available devices. and > "In a small study last week in Annals of Intensive Care, physicians who treated Covid-19 patients at two hosp…

More sources: https://time.com/5818547/ventilators-coronavirus/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas...

Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators

#97

Talking about cpap machine, I did some research on it, and found that they are regulated medical device and cannot be purchased without prescription. I suffer chronicle dry nose, moderate empty nose syndrome on the right side (due to surgery done 20 years ago in China), and Deviated Septum (due to injury as kid). One thing often happen to me is during middle of nigh sleep, my left nose duct will be extremely dry, cau…

A case can be made that they are being regulated into being expensive to support the rather dysfunctional American health system's need for high insurance charges. At any rate - have a look over on the Chinese sites, you can pick them up new there for $600 or so. Obviously do your own research, and spend some time on the CPAP jailbreak forums as well - the community there is very supportive.

Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators

#99
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CPAP world is a microcosm of what's wrong in the medical world, i.e. why things cost so much. A CPAP machines costs about 10x as much as it should, and a part of that is insurance companies wanting to make sure they are not paying for a device you are not using. Which then increases the price, which makes insurance companies even more worried about them. Then you are paternalism where only a Dr. is allowed to cha…

Its worse than that. Before receiving a CPAP machine ~$1,000, most doctor's require a sleep study, which costs many thousands of dollars, and many times wait months to get the appointment. CPAP machines are usually the ultimate solution to reported sleep problems involving repeatedly waking up, and I don't see why they can't be prescribed immediately to see if they solve the problem.

My insurance wouldn't even pay for a monitored sleep study before I did an at-home study. Luckily, the at-home device showed moderate apnea, so I didn't have to do the lab study.
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