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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by pc86 »

bhk wrote: post #250
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #209

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Transparency can give bad actors a way to game and workaround the system.

How is "game and workaround the system" different from "comply with policies"? Is compliance not the objective?

Compliance with the spirit is the objective. Sometimes the spirit and the letter differ for any number of reasons (many of which are completely reasonable).

People tend to get pretty upset when someone is very clearly complying with the letter while flying in complete opposition to the spirit, and it's not always an easy fix.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by pc86 »

saagarjha wrote: post #287
toyg wrote: post #262

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> transparent juridical system and it works fine Yeah, criminals are always arrested and convicted. /s It's a balance. With something as essential as human rights and personal freedom, people (tend to) err on the safe side. Online moderation can err on the other side, since consequences are relatively modest. If you get banned on GH, move to Gitlab or host your own, that's hardly a tragedy.

Online moderation is an issue of personal rights.

Not in the Constitutional sense, and not in anything administered by GitHub.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by tasssko »

vetinari wrote: post #286
Saaster wrote: post #193

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I agree. There's a million SAML for Java/Python/Node.js/Foo libraries out there, all with a long list of issues and known cases that don't work correctly, security issues etc. but it's the wrong model in my opinion. Instead of directly bolting SAML into your app, I think a FOSS implementation of an independently running service is the way to go. You run the battle tested open source service (locally / in your cloud),…

> it accepts the SAML assertions and mints something sane like JWTs which can easily be consumed by the service providers, isolating the entire thing from your core app and allowing it be used with any stack. E.g. essentially an open source locally deployed Okta You want Keycloak - https://www.keycloak.org/ - then.

+1 for keycloak

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by pc86 »

AlphaWeaver wrote: post #140
pubby wrote: post #67

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Hey Nat glad to see you here. A few days ago one of the biggest team collaborative games (Space Station 13) got banned on GitHub without a public explanation from GitHub staff, but some suspect it was because the code contained bad words and slurs. Do you know if this is why the project was banned, and will these new private team repos be subject to the same terms/rules?

Whoa, wanted to jump in here! SS13 is, in my opinion, one of the best games of all time when it runs well. Not very many people know about it. I worry about the community dying and losing my favorite game, but have taken solace in the fact that the source will always be publicly available. If it was banned from GitHub, that's a major problem.

Is it? There are several GitHub alternatives, many completely free as well, and none of the source was lost unless all the maintainers and contributors also delete their local copies.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by mgw »

sytse wrote: post #197
Someone1234 wrote: post #129

I think GitHub are doing well, but one cannot deny that GitLab has carved out a fantastic niche (on-prem, private instances, OSS, etc) that GitHub doesn't compete in. So while I agree GitHub are "the" company to beat, I think GitLab is doing a good job of contrasting. PS - No affiliation with anyone.

Thanks for the kind words! For developers everywhere competition is great. We recently made 18 new features free and open source https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2020/03/30/new-features-to-cor... and today Github with an improved free plan and their team plan came down to the exact same price as our most affordable plan. BTW Maybe an idea to rename their lowest tier from team, may we suggest bronze? :) Since you mention…

One big differentiator that GitHub has vs GitLab is the availability of monthly pricing. This was a deal breaker against GitLab for us.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by Wehrdo »

I hope developers still default to making their personal repos public after this change. One of the fringe benefits of GitHub is the ability to search across the entire site for uses of obscure, poorly-documented APIs. Defaulting to most repos becoming private would greatly hinder this.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by renata »

pc86 wrote: post #311
bhk wrote: post #250

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How is "game and workaround the system" different from "comply with policies"? Is compliance not the objective?

Compliance with the spirit is the objective. Sometimes the spirit and the letter differ for any number of reasons (many of which are completely reasonable). People tend to get pretty upset when someone is very clearly complying with the letter while flying in complete opposition to the spirit, and it's not always an easy fix.

In that case, it sounds like the letter needs to be fixed. It's not fair to expect people to follow an ephemeral ideal of what the rules are rather than what they're told the rules actually are.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by sytse »

mgw wrote: post #315
sytse wrote: post #197

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Thanks for the kind words! For developers everywhere competition is great. We recently made 18 new features free and open source https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2020/03/30/new-features-to-cor... and today Github with an improved free plan and their team plan came down to the exact same price as our most affordable plan. BTW Maybe an idea to rename their lowest tier from team, may we suggest bronze? :) Since you mention…

One big differentiator that GitHub has vs GitLab is the availability of monthly pricing. This was a deal breaker against GitLab for us.

Thanks, good point, we're looking at changing this.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by m0xte »

spenczar5 wrote: post #303
pknopf wrote: post #297

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I get that you guys want to say that publicly, but let's be real. No company would invest a massive amount of money in a duplicate product. One product will eventually starve. I guess it is up to us to guess. Anyone? I see GitHub being the unmovable giant here. Microsoft is publicly developing on it, as opposed to Azure Dev Ops. It has a very large mind-share. More developers are willing to use it without having the…

> No company would invest a massive amount of money in a duplicate product. I don't mean to be rude, but have you worked at a very large company like Microsoft or Amazon or Google? Redundant products are par for the course because of the byzantine internal politics and funding structures of big companies.

Big companies like Microsoft and Google like to burn products with little notice too.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by pc86 »

oaiey wrote: post #280
shishy wrote: post #260

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Sometimes people want to keep the code, commits, etc. private but maintain a blog

Use a private repo, attach a code action to publish your output of your favourite blog to static html output to a public GitHub pages repo.

Nobody's saying it's not possible with a hack or workaround, just that it doesn't work out of the box.
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