Live data from Hacker News

Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

reuters.com

31–40 of 399 posts

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#31
post #23

I wonder what their recruiting team thinks about these moves by the company. I know I will not work for Amazon seeing how the manage dissent at the company and I’m sure there are many other people who feel the same.

The cynic in me thinks that for any number of potential candidates who feel the same, there are exponentially more candidates that just want to work there regardless, and the recruiting team knows this.

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#32
post #23

I wonder what their recruiting team thinks about these moves by the company. I know I will not work for Amazon seeing how the manage dissent at the company and I’m sure there are many other people who feel the same.

Probably the same way that recruiters for large government contractors feel when the government or military gets bad press.

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#33
post #12

> “We support every employee’s right to criticize their employer’s working conditions, but that does not come with blanket immunity against any and all internal policies,” Herdener said. > Amazon’s external communications policy prohibits employees from commenting publicly on its business without corporate justification and approval from executives. Herdener previously said the policy did not allow employees to “publ…

Amazon is firing them for commenting publicly on its business. If you were employed by a company and disparaged them publicly, breaking company policy, would you believe that your employment with them is in any way protected?

Here’s my take. If I think a company is doing wrong and I believe I should stand against it, I would then consider that taking a stand will likely result in termination; but if I believe strongly then I’d do it because of principle not be cause a law is protecting me.

That’s not to say I disagree with workers’ protections only tat if you believe strongly then protections or not should not be much of a consideration.

That said, is Amazon acting illegally so you’re calling that out or do I just disagree with their position?

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#34
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you feel a little...silly...making accusations about something that you haven't even looked at? WaPo did not "stress that they violated company policies". There are two short sentences in the middle of the article about Amazon's reason for firing, followed by a disclaimer that Bezos owns WaPo. Much more of the article is devoted to the fired employees belief that she was fired for her climate change activism, a…

I think it's a little silly to take an article that's critical of Amazon seriously when the paper is owned by Jeff Bezos. There are plenty of other sources on the topic including the Reuters article above, which is not behind a paywall.

It's not totally unreasonable to be skeptical of WaPo in this story, but you are failing to recognize that the entire reason people are posting the WaPo article to begin with is that it includes much more details about this story than the Reuters article does. There aren't "plenty of other sources on the topic", since those other sources don't include the same info, and especially since all of the other sources reporting on it (Reuters, for example) are getting their info from the WaPo anyway.

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#35
post #29

I'd totally support the employees if they got fired or even cautioned for exercising their free speech rights. Amazon needs to get penalized if that's the case. Where it gets into the gray zone is when employees misuse company property and time to engage in activism. Like the Google Employee who used her access privileges to distribute messages supporting her position. Personally I think we should draw a clear line b…

You are in confusion, there is no free speech issue; the First Amendment protects the free speech from the government, nothing else.

Just to be very clear: I am in no way agreeing with Amazon, just correcting a confusion about the applicability of the US Constitution and amendments.

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#36
post #33
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon is firing them for commenting publicly on its business. If you were employed by a company and disparaged them publicly, breaking company policy, would you believe that your employment with them is in any way protected?

Here’s my take. If I think a company is doing wrong and I believe I should stand against it, I would then consider that taking a stand will likely result in termination; but if I believe strongly then I’d do it because of principle not be cause a law is protecting me. That’s not to say I disagree with workers’ protections only tat if you believe strongly then protections or not should not be much of a consideration.…

I agree, but I should not be surprised if they terminated me because of it.

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#37
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you feel a little...silly...making accusations about something that you haven't even looked at? WaPo did not "stress that they violated company policies". There are two short sentences in the middle of the article about Amazon's reason for firing, followed by a disclaimer that Bezos owns WaPo. Much more of the article is devoted to the fired employees belief that she was fired for her climate change activism, a…

I think it's a little silly to take an article that's critical of Amazon seriously when the paper is owned by Jeff Bezos. There are plenty of other sources on the topic including the Reuters article above, which is not behind a paywall.

> it's a little silly to take an article that's critical of Amazon seriously when the paper is owned by Jeff Bezos

That wasn't the question. The fact is that you felt comfortable asserting a certain tone in the article that you admittedly didn't even read, and then the article didn't even have that tone.

You're moving the goalposts now by just saying you should blanket not accept any WaPo reporting about Amazon. Which is fine. But that wasn't your original claim.

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#38

What exactly does a UX designer know about the working conditions of an Amazon warehouse that they haven't simply read online like the rest of us anyway?

I was introduced to the concept of team design and development that leads the creation and implementation of high profile, long-term team member status and an open, real world to the public.

I knew from a good manager's perspective that an important piece of software is the product.

Re: Amazon fires two UX designers critical of warehouse working conditions

#39

What exactly does a UX designer know about the working conditions of an Amazon warehouse that they haven't simply read online like the rest of us anyway?

Imagine they can be UX designers for internally used apps, for example in the warehouses; they go there and do user research, guess what they know after that.
Post reply on HN