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Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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OT - One of my most personal profound moments was chasing this winter photo [0] and sharing it with a coyote. I wanted to take a night shot of the Cathedral Rock (that I had seen a few years earlier but didn't take a good photo of it) under the full moon and fresh snow. It took me several years of driving up to Yosemite when there was snow storm and one night I got lucky. It was around 11 PM when the storm stopped an…

I kind of feel like if you somehow combined a succinct version of the origin story with the photo in the right format, it could become a popular poster or similar. That's a powerful story and it's a very special picture in a world with no shortage of good photos, so that's saying something. It that makes sense. And I'm not really asking you to commercialize it per se. I'm more saying that the story adds something of…

Thanks! I do agree, we all need something during this challenging times to be reminded who we are the core and that thins will be okay again.

I'll see if I can put it on a one-pager or something.

Cheers!

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Nature has been trying to remove us since the very beginning. The process of preventing our removal is called surviving, we've been at it for as long as we can remember.

We are part of nature, not separate from it. We can either choose to live in harmony with nature or try to overcome/dominate it. When we try to dominate, the non-human parts of nature will try to snap back, or we see unintended consequences. For example, cutting down trees for firewood or paper goods leading to environmental problems.

Nature doesn't "try" anything. It just is.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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I hope we keep it closed, more or less. They could restrict visitors using a lottery system. No motorized vehicles within the park boundaries. The valley would have a chance in that scenario. Otherwise it will just be swamped by even greater crowds rushing in to "enjoy" (really destroy) the beautiful nature. I visited Yosemite valley proper for the first time last year after living in California for five years. I was…

The goal of a park (particularly the valley) is to allow as many people as possible to see and appreciate it. There are hundreds of thousands of square miles of empty wilderness in the Sierra (including in Yosemite) , with much of it similar in scale to Yosemite. Your story is a good example for one of the goals of parks, but you seem to have missed the point. If you've never been to the Yosemite after living in CA f…

you seem to have missed the point.

what's the point in allowing people to go to a park in such a way that it destroys the park? a national park simply cannot handle a limitless amount of traffic.

i went to rocky mountain national park on what happened to be labor day weekend. it sounds weird, but we actually didn't plan on going there while in colorado but ended up going due to other things changing. it was insane. cars, traffic, lines, massive congestion on trails, trash, etc. the park was completely overrun. lines for the shuttles were hours long. obviously, myself and my girlfriend were part of the problem (in terms of adding to the visitor numbers), but many didn't seem to care. it felt like almost being in a gold rush. people swimming with god knows what chemicals in delicate ponds and glacial lakes, trash, etc.

unprompted by anything other than my experience, i asked one of the park rangers / shuttle drivers if the park planned on implementing some system to reduce numbers in peak travel times. she basically said that it had been considered and talked about and that she felt that they were going to have to. she mentioned that the traffic of people on foot and cars was destroying the park. wildlife are constantly hit by cars, ranging from big to small. just a month or two earlier, a bear, already in dwindling numbers in the area, had been hit and killed by a car.

humanity acts as if the world must bend to its unchecked population growth. well, it will bend, then it'll break, and then it'll snap back.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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OT - One of my most personal profound moments was chasing this winter photo [0] and sharing it with a coyote. I wanted to take a night shot of the Cathedral Rock (that I had seen a few years earlier but didn't take a good photo of it) under the full moon and fresh snow. It took me several years of driving up to Yosemite when there was snow storm and one night I got lucky. It was around 11 PM when the storm stopped an…

Sounds like a spirit. I had a similar visit from an owl during my wife’s pregnancy.

Sounds like an animal encountering a larger animal and deciding to not engage.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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As I discovered on an evening hike once when I encountered a few cougars.

Sex jokes aside. . . How do you encounter 'a few cougars'? I've only ever run into them as single animals. They're very solitary.

It was during the colder months. There were three of them on the path. I think it was a female and two adolescents. One of them tried to get closer to me by heading up the back of a hill. I threw a rock at it to deter it, then we turned around and headed back down.

The eyes and the way it moved in the dark were very catlike. I've not seen any bears or coyotes that would move like that.

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Germans?

It's a stereotype with a grain of truth. In general, European tourists seem to be more accomplished or more enthusiastic hikers. You come across a lot of German-speaking people. But also Scandinavian and various others. Like all stereotypes, it breaks down on close inspection.

Yeah, I feel like any strenuous backcountry hike I take in the western U.S. will have me encounter at least one Scandinavian by its end.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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It’s happening all around the world. Places like India has seen a remarkable drop in pollution levels. People are able to see Himalayas for the first time from their homes near by. Everest gets a break from the climbers. And even Ganges is showing levels of purity never seen before : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/destinations/gang... [..] When the ancient Yamuna River in Delhi has reached a remarkable le…

> Everest gets a break from the climbers. As there's no wildlife to damage on Everest, I don't see a big problem with it being crushed by tourists.

There is life everywhere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile#Classifications) including in boiling water, so why would there be no wildlife on Everest?

A short search gave me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euophrys_omnisuperstes:

”the Himalayan jumping spider, is a small jumping spider that lives at elevations of up to 6,700 m (22,000 ft) in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, making it a candidate for the highest known permanent resident on Earth“

(That’s above the base camps on Everest)

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Ultimately we need fewer people in order to preserve the natural world. We can start by disincentivizing and de-emphasizing growth.

Starting with growth of population. Ultimately consumption is a function of population.

> Ultimately consumption is a function of population.

Consumption is a function of economic policy and wealth/lifestyle. For example, we consume more oil than china but have 1 billion less people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consu...

India has 1 billion more people and we pretty much consume everything more than them. The same goes for Africa.

Considering that china is moving towards a consumption based economy and india/africa/ASEAN/etc are desperately trying to follow suit, we are looking to add about 5 billion people to the wealthy western lifestyle in the coming decades. It will certainly increase wealth, but can the earth sustain that many people living the "good" life?

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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A month without humans, bears are moving through survey zones more frequently. The problem highlighted here is our methods for setting up survey zones is terrible and is severely UNDERCOUNTING the population. Even more troubling is systems of surveillance like these provide the inputs for the climate change models we've depended on and which have predicted we'll all be extinct in 50 years. I swear by the end of Covid…

> I swear by the end of Covid19 we're all going to look back at the models and determine what climate skeptics have been saying for decades: Models are easily manipulated by bad inputs - and generally trash

Humans often do over-react to threats, and they usually have inaccurate data, and often, predictions of dire catastrophes are proven incorrect. If you look back at the past 80 years, most predictions of large-scale catastrophe have been wrong. But that also doesn't show it couldn't have happened, or why it didn't.

Most people who were supporters of those predictions later dismiss their inaccurate predictions or apologize for them. And everyone collectively ignores when their predictions of woe don't come to pass, because they're in the past now, and they don't have any tangible effect on our present or future, and also, it might be a little embarrassing.

But none of that is the point of the predictions, really. If we perceive an impending and potentially serious problem, we have to at least try to raise an alarm and do something to try to avert it, even if it turns out later there wasn't a great threat, or it wasn't caused by what we thought. We use the best guesses we have, often over-estimating on purpose, because under-estimating would have a worse effect.

Saying the models (or inputs) are "trash" is like saying covering your face with cloth to prevent a virus is "trash". Is putting a thick cotton cloth over your face going to prevent you getting the virus? No, of course not; it's not filtering nanoparticles, things can still get in or out of the corners, it doesn't stop you from touching your face or an open sore, etc. But it is one of several imperfect tools that we can use to mitigate the threat.

And ultimately, logic doesn't win in cases like these. I saw someone reasonably intelligent who was sharing a single paper a few weeks back with projected US death tolls to COVID-19, based on models with data that the researchers directly stated were incomplete. They were sharing the paper because the numbers were very scary, and on the off chance that the numbers were right, they wanted to scare people into action. The pertinent question to me in that case was, would scaring people into action cause more help or harm?

So I don't agree that the existing inputs are troubling. They may be inaccurate, and if so, they should be improved. But what I do find troubling is the possibility that people are suggesting their inaccuracy is a reason to remove them, rather than improve them. Basically, I think that to ignore the warning because the data is flawed is missing the bears for the woods.

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