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California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Also relevant is that the states of New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Delaware made a similar pact today. Edit: Massachusetts has also joined this pact as well (I thought it was surprising that it hadn't when I first read the news).

No Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts? I would think at least Massachusetts would want in.

MA joined the pact as well, now.

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Exactly right. One of the rules of the game is that you're not allowed to say anything negative about Donald Trump even if (perhaps especially if) it is factually correct. If you do, he will retaliate (by, for example, withholding badly needed aid). So the governors have to speak in code. Listen to Newsome's news conference today and the answer he gave to a reporter about his reaction to Trump's announcement that the…

> If you do, he will retaliate (by, for example, withholding badly needed aid) Has this actually occurred? I know NY asked for way more ventilators than they got, but as I understood it they were giving them out "just in time" rather than up front in case they were needed more elsewhere.

Yes. Early in the outbreak, several of the western states including Washington asked for full FEMA aid but received nothing except some disaster counseling aid, while Florida received huge shipments of medical supplies. Trump as much as said he was waiting for Governor Jay Inslee of Washington to say something nice about him before opening up aid to Washington, which is unconscionable.

We seem to be doing just fine here without the Federal Government. In fact we've sent 400 ventilators back to the national stockpile and we also returned the Army hospital that was established at Safeco Field back because we didn't need the capacity. Trump did eventually authorize FEMA to pay for the National Guard response here.

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I love the United States' flexible decentralized model. Different states have sufficient autonomy to tinker and try different approaches, allowing the best ideas to emerge from the collective. It's one reason why the US is such a dynamic place, similar to Europe but with the additional benefit of unified language, culture (broadly), economy, and high level regulations. It's truly a great system.

Yeah ... it's a great system unless you live in a part of the country that is not trying a smart approach; a place where "best ideas" are routinely dismissed as partisan politics.

I don’t see how not having states would change that.

We have a federal government that has the power to take action. Republicans are stopping that from happening and so some states are choosing to fix it for themselves.

You get what you vote for.

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He wanted to shut down travel from China in January, something he got reamed for politically by the media and the left. Damned if you do and all that.

Can you provide any source for criticism from the left on this decision? I only found this: > Although Democratic leaders and Democratic presidential candidates have been highly critical of Trump’s response to the coronavirus, we couldn’t find any examples of them directly and clearly criticizing the travel restrictions. [0]: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel...

My Twitter timeline was full of people claiming xenophobia and racism for most of February and some of March, some with claims he was distracting from his impeachment.

There was a coordinated effort by some jouralists to smear Trump as xenophobic and racist for what he was trying to do. Today they're saying he didn't do enough. There were many stories that were essentially down playing the virus and dog whistling to readers about Trump being a racist/xenophobic for his early actions.

Edit: added video showing the media downplaying COVID-19 at late as March 3rd [3].

[0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/31/how-our-br...

[1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/03/why-we-sho...

[2]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-...

[3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=wVDPVBZF2Xg&...

Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wanted to shut down travel from China in January, something he got reamed for politically by the media and the left. Damned if you do and all that.

Can you provide any source for criticism from the left on this decision? I only found this: > Although Democratic leaders and Democratic presidential candidates have been highly critical of Trump’s response to the coronavirus, we couldn’t find any examples of them directly and clearly criticizing the travel restrictions. [0]: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel...

Ya, much of this controversy seems to have been made up by the right. Typical gas lighting, funny thing is I remember none of this actually happening at the time, banning travel china was mostly non-controversial outside of a niche. Maybe twitter?

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> I fear that tomorrow Why fear? This is my dream! The Senate is irreparably broken. There is no conceivable way that it can become more fairly representative of the people without a breakup of the United States. The smaller less populous states aren't going to just give up their outsized power voluntarily. California is suffering the most due to the Senate's structural unfairness, and it has the most to gain from su…

The idea of secession is a horrific nightmare that no one should wish for. There are conceivable ways that things can be fixed - constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention opens the doors to at least as much disruption as a few states seceding. Absolutely everything can be relitigated.

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Waiting for the announcement of the formation of the 'Confederacy of Southern States' (I don't believe for a moment that Trump and the Republicans would hesitate to seize the opportunity and claim that it's simply 'parity'). In these times of hyper-partisanship, in the midst of a global pandemic, on the tip of a great recession or depression with untold economic hardship; I shudder at the potential for what politically aligned states banding together could lead to.

I hope I am overreacting, but my parameters for what I used to consider normal and possible have been shifted significantly and there seems to have formed a great open space of terrible possibility to be filled.

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I have yet to see a cogent validation of the total lives saved by lockdown when considering all other health impacts such as suicide rates from isolation, heart disease/stroke/diabetes from extra sedentary lifestyle etc.

not to mention the suicide by fentanyl in a subsequent economic recession/depression.

Any aware of such an analysis?

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> We need to see a decline in the rate of spread of the virus before large-scale reopening, and we will be working in coordination to identify the best metrics to guide this. What's the end game here? If you slow the spread, and then reopen, it'll spread again. Nothing will have changed, you'll just have delayed it a bit.

Just let everyone get it. Problem solved.
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