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Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Post by kylemh »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #15

As someone who lives in one of these states, I'm nonplussed at the announcement. It doesn't really seem to say anything concrete that I can tell. "We've agreed that we will use metrics...we are still deciding what these metrics will be." I thought the Stay Home, Stay Healthy order (in Washington state) wasn't unreasonable and wasn't just political babble, but I don't really know what to make of this piece. Anyone wan…

I think you're correct, but the announcement is still welcome. People are gonna be waiting forever for any semblance of federal guidance, so at least these 3 states has decided they'll make calls together.

Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Post by jcranmer »

r00fus wrote: post #3
aazaa wrote: post #2

Possibly relevant: > President Trump tweeted Monday that the "decision to open up the states" following shutdown measures taken to stop the spread of the coronavirus lies with him, not governors. https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-reopening-governors-...

Is this me or does this someone who wants control but not responsibility?

You're not the only one who has had the same immediate take.

Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Post by yingw787 »

Well, that was quick.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22828354

Today it is pandemic resolution. I fear that tomorrow, it might be economic ties, lockstep voting at the federal level, and National Guard drills, deployments, and contingency planning, where the West Coast slowly splits away from the rest of the country, with other states teaming up and following suit.

This isn't the end, and it's the only appropriate response to a federal government that cannot or will not execute on behalf of all states. It is, however, a reflection of the true state of our Union, and a sign of things to come if we don't reconcile our national identity.

I'm saddened, but not surprised, that a step like this was necessary given the circumstances.

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Post by grey-area »

throwaway_USD wrote: post #7
aazaa wrote: post #2

Possibly relevant: > President Trump tweeted Monday that the "decision to open up the states" following shutdown measures taken to stop the spread of the coronavirus lies with him, not governors. https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-reopening-governors-...

Ironically Trump refused to "shutdown" the States a decision he deferred to the Governors.

I'm not sure why this is downvoted, as it is correct.

https://apnews.com/c90b24e60a4853cebe96ec995b626f9b

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Post by danhak »

throwaway_USD wrote: post #7
aazaa wrote: post #2

Possibly relevant: > President Trump tweeted Monday that the "decision to open up the states" following shutdown measures taken to stop the spread of the coronavirus lies with him, not governors. https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-reopening-governors-...

Ironically Trump refused to "shutdown" the States a decision he deferred to the Governors.

Yes, he wanted to dodge responsibility for the unpleasant job of shutting things down. Now he wants to enjoy positive publicity for opening things back up.

Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Post by domingobingo »

klodolph wrote: post #12
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #4

Floreat Cascadia!

Not to be pedantic or anything but Cascadia definitely doesn’t include California. Nuh-uh, no way José, no siree.

It’s the economic core of Cascadia. It’s a necessary thing.

Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Post by aioprisan »

jcranmer wrote: post #19

Also relevant is that the states of New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Delaware made a similar pact today. Edit: Massachusetts has also joined this pact as well (I thought it was surprising that it hadn't when I first read the news).

MA joined in as well on that pact

Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Post by bredren »

klodolph wrote: post #12
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #4

Floreat Cascadia!

Not to be pedantic or anything but Cascadia definitely doesn’t include California. Nuh-uh, no way José, no siree.

Since Cascadia does not exist, compromise to include northern California is possible. The proposed Pacific State Jefferson would likely join a successful independent Cascadia if only to have easier succession to its own state down the line.

Regardless, this can be seen as a shot in the arm toward Casacadia because it is a demonstration of cross-state regional cooperation that would be necessary to further an independence movement.

Re: California, Oregon and Washington announce western states pact

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Post by dpflan »

mullingitover wrote: post #14

This is great, and it's a big chunk of population, but I keep feeling like we could do better. For example, these three States could do a great job, but there's nothing stopping a bunch of the other States from bungling it (like, say, ignoring health experts and exempting certain groups from mass gathering restrictions). Then those States end up exporting infectious individuals into the States which are doing things…

Your fears are very valid because we have already seen (prior to this formal coalition) the varying responses of states. Regarding your last sentence: I think there was a united group of all of the states waiting for central command and assistance which never truly materialized and now we have the states working together in the void.
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