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How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by babul »

To me this highlights that experience over the years and being technically apt and knowledgeable with the burning desire for your company to do well allowed Bill to harness his vast amount of knowledge and experience to 'probe' people. The level of probing would reveal weaknesses very quickly, as no doubt it would begin in the broad sense, then delving deeper, until the nitty-gritty establishes your understanding of the subject matter.

In this example, the common understanding and concerns between the two was there due to the development of Excel to include "Visual Basic for Applications", allowing VB programmers to extend the Office Apps. The Date/Time concerns would have been paramount, particularly as concerns about Y2k were also just emerging - the first online debate being in 1996.

Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by wallflower »

My favorite billg story:

I actually heard this originally from my ex-boss when he was telling stories during a lull at his startup. A friend of his worked for MSFT in the 1980s; I was just thrilled that it was googleable as I had the gist of the story but not the detail in my memory.

"What are the greatest business lessons Bill has taught you over the years?

Very early in my career at Microsoft, around February 1984, we found a data-crashing bug. I wondered if I would get fired over it. I went to Bill with the head of development. I was then the product manager.

It was a classic meeting. Bill was on the couch looking down. I explained that we found this bug and that we thought we were going to have to recall the product. He nodded, did his rocking thing and kept looked down. We were both wondering if we would get fired. Bill wasn't saying anything so my anxiety was growing.

I explained that we're going to have to recall the product, and that it's going to cost several hundred thousand dollars and be a hit to our reputation. Bill rocks and looks down. We didn't have anything else to say. I thought: Is this when the ax comes?

Then Bill looks up and says: "You came in today and lost a few hundred thousand dollars. You come in tomorrow and hope you do better."

His expectation wasn't that we weren't going to make mistakes. He wanted to know that we took it seriously and learned from our mistakes. That's very motivating."

http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/06/25/raikes-bill-gate...

Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by edw519 »

So this is supposed to be an example of good management?

Looks more like an example of why Microsoft succeeded in spite of its management. I guess when you're milking a monopolistic cash cow with crappy products, you really don't need good management.

Think about it. The CEO comes into a meeting with 6 levels of management and proceeds to treat his people like children by acting like a child himself and "teaching them a lesson".

I wonder what Mike Conte, Chris Graham, Pete Higgins, and Mike Maples were thinking during this charade.

With 6 levels of management, you'd think that the CEO would focus of the big picture, set the course, and trust his people to do their jobs.

Perhaps the best evidence that Bill Gates was too busy bullying and micromanaging was the book he wrote 3 years after this meeting, "The Road Ahead," which never even mentioned the word "internet". Imagine, the CEO of a multi-billion dollar technology company who didn't see the internet in 1994.

There are stories of him being upset with having to write that book because it made him take his eye off the ball. I always wondered what ball he was talking about. Thanks to Joel, now we know.

Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by pgebhard »

bprater wrote: post #10
sanj wrote: post #7

"When i graduated from college, in 1991" Where's copyediting gone to?

Spolsky is one of the best tech essayists alive. If he wants to graduate from college, in 1991, I'd let him.

I believe the parent is referring to the lowercase 'i'.

Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by mynameishere »

midnightmonster wrote: post #5
jeroen wrote: post #2

I thought I recognised that, and indeed it is taken partly from http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/06/16.html . The original is a bit more detailed.

The original is better--the order of the story and the emotion both work better. Probably has to do with trying to dumb down, sound more professional, and remove the swearing for Inc readers. Joel's Inc Magazine columns compared to his blog writing have pretty much convinced me not to subscribe to Inc..

Joel's Inc Magazine columns compared to his blog writing

Most of his articles have been inferior re-writes, to the point that I'm not sure why nobody at Inc. has caught on. Maybe they don't care, but I'd be pissed.

Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by chrisl99 »

edw519 wrote: post #14

So this is supposed to be an example of good management? Looks more like an example of why Microsoft succeeded in spite of its management. I guess when you're milking a monopolistic cash cow with crappy products, you really don't need good management. Think about it. The CEO comes into a meeting with 6 levels of management and proceeds to treat his people like children by acting like a child himself and "teaching the…

I have a copy of the first edition of The Road Ahead. Here is the index entry for Internet:

Internet, 3-4, 91-100, 91 activities on, 93-97 addresses on, 94 cost of use of, 97-99, 125 e-mail on, 96-97, 124-25 expectations for, 125 foundation of, 97 growth and evolution of, 91, 95-96 and information highway, 3-4, 89, 95, 100, 230, 246 and publication, 95, 123-25 real-time content on, 99 regulation of, 161-63, 204 revenue from, 125 and security, 95, 96, 145 software on, 100 and standards, 96 and telephone system, 99 and Windows, 64 and WWW, 94, 95, 193, 201

Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by dreish »

jgrahamc wrote: post #6

Actually this isn't about what it's like to work for Bill Gates, it's about Joel Spolsky and reflected glory.

Yes, but it has one great takeaway quote that isn't self-serving:

> Watching nonprogrammers trying to run software companies is like watching someone who doesn't know how to surf trying to surf. Even if he has great advisers standing on the shore telling him what to do, he still falls off the board again and again. The cult of the M.B.A. likes to believe that you can run organizations that do things that you don't understand. But often, you can't.

Re: How Hard Could it Be? Joel Spolsky recalls what it was like to work for Bill Gates

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Post by edw519 »

chrisl99 wrote: post #17
edw519 wrote: post #14

So this is supposed to be an example of good management? Looks more like an example of why Microsoft succeeded in spite of its management. I guess when you're milking a monopolistic cash cow with crappy products, you really don't need good management. Think about it. The CEO comes into a meeting with 6 levels of management and proceeds to treat his people like children by acting like a child himself and "teaching the…

I have a copy of the first edition of The Road Ahead. Here is the index entry for Internet: Internet, 3-4, 91-100, 91 activities on, 93-97 addresses on, 94 cost of use of, 97-99, 125 e-mail on, 96-97, 124-25 expectations for, 125 foundation of, 97 growth and evolution of, 91, 95-96 and information highway, 3-4, 89, 95, 100, 230, 246 and publication, 95, 123-25 real-time content on, 99 regulation of, 161-63, 204 reven…

What was I thinking? I obviously read something that was wrong. Looking for my source...

[EDIT: I give up. I'm not looking anymore. I thought it may have been "Hard Drive" but it's not. So I either read something that was wrong or (more likely) I misinterpreted it.

But I stand by my claim that Joel's meeting is an excellent example of mismanagement. If Bill Gates wasn't so busy maintaining an atmosphere of bullying and "see how smart I am" and instead was a real visionary, would there even be a Yahoo or Google today?]

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