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Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by pathseeker »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #10

I hope this inspires our generation. I hope we remember that the way things were recently aren’t they way have to be, or the way things naturally are. We need more pollution controls, clean power, and less driving. I also think we need to reduce how many people visit certain places as the harsh reality is that impact is clearly related to visits. It will mean a shared sacrifice but a healthier planet. Hopefully limit…

You do know that the bear population hasn't quadrupled in the park since the covid-19 shutdown, right? Bears don't have a gestation period of a month.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by kaybe »

s5300 wrote: post #27
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

"If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel." I've lurked near daily on HN for over five years - and this is the unfortunate comment I finally feel the need to make an account to reply to. I presume you're living in the U.S. based on your comment. I too live in the U.S., with severely debilitating he…

The problem is not availability of cheap airline tickets, it's availability of healthcare.

The point (the transportation/energy use issue cannot be tackled without also working on the social problems) is an important one though.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by ummonk »

spking wrote: post #14
0xB31B1B wrote: post #10

I hope this inspires our generation. I hope we remember that the way things were recently aren’t they way have to be, or the way things naturally are. We need more pollution controls, clean power, and less driving. I also think we need to reduce how many people visit certain places as the harsh reality is that impact is clearly related to visits. It will mean a shared sacrifice but a healthier planet. Hopefully limit…

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

According to your link, they constitute only 3% of US emissions.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

s5300 wrote: post #27
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

"If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel." I've lurked near daily on HN for over five years - and this is the unfortunate comment I finally feel the need to make an account to reply to. I presume you're living in the U.S. based on your comment. I too live in the U.S., with severely debilitating he…

Unfortunately, the best solution is for you to move to a more densely populated area. Not necessarily to a mega-expensive city—although we should make those more accessible too—but somewhere close enough that you don't need air travel to get treatment. And there should be social programs that can make this financially possible.

It would totally suck for you, I realize that. Unfortunately, our society simply cannot continue on as it has. We either change now, proactively, or we change after the climate catastrophe has forced our hand. Under the latter scenario, the change will be much worse.

(We should also make healthcare accessible in more places, but it sounds like your needs are highly specialized. There are some treatments we cannot realistically provide everywhere.)

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Post by munk-a »

rllearneratwork wrote: post #13
0xB31B1B wrote: post #10

I hope this inspires our generation. I hope we remember that the way things were recently aren’t they way have to be, or the way things naturally are. We need more pollution controls, clean power, and less driving. I also think we need to reduce how many people visit certain places as the harsh reality is that impact is clearly related to visits. It will mean a shared sacrifice but a healthier planet. Hopefully limit…

>>"I also think we need to reduce how many people visit certain places" - Yes, please start with yourself

Sorry but "practice what you preach" isn't a valid response to talking about systemic issues.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by aklemm »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #10

I hope this inspires our generation. I hope we remember that the way things were recently aren’t they way have to be, or the way things naturally are. We need more pollution controls, clean power, and less driving. I also think we need to reduce how many people visit certain places as the harsh reality is that impact is clearly related to visits. It will mean a shared sacrifice but a healthier planet. Hopefully limit…

Ultimately we need fewer people in order to preserve the natural world. We can start by disincentivizing and de-emphasizing growth.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by spking »

s5300 wrote: post #27
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

"If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel." I've lurked near daily on HN for over five years - and this is the unfortunate comment I finally feel the need to make an account to reply to. I presume you're living in the U.S. based on your comment. I too live in the U.S., with severely debilitating he…

I'm truly sorry to hear about your health issues and the lack of resources available to you.

Of course I would like to see better healthcare available to everyone as well. Can't we focus our attention on making healthcare (even specialized treatments like yours) more accessible and affordable, instead of artificially propping up a massively wasteful industry in perpetuity?

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by pathseeker »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #34
s5300 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel." I've lurked near daily on HN for over five years - and this is the unfortunate comment I finally feel the need to make an account to reply to. I presume you're living in the U.S. based on your comment. I too live in the U.S., with severely debilitating he…

Unfortunately, the best solution is for you to move to a more densely populated area. Not necessarily to a mega-expensive city—although we should make those more accessible too—but somewhere close enough that you don't need air travel to get treatment. And there should be social programs that can make this financially possible. It would totally suck for you, I realize that. Unfortunately, our society simply cannot co…

There are many large cities in the Midwest. Flying to California/Massachusetts implies that the problem is a rare disease, not that it's a population density issue.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by munk-a »

spking wrote: post #14
0xB31B1B wrote: post #10

I hope this inspires our generation. I hope we remember that the way things were recently aren’t they way have to be, or the way things naturally are. We need more pollution controls, clean power, and less driving. I also think we need to reduce how many people visit certain places as the harsh reality is that impact is clearly related to visits. It will mean a shared sacrifice but a healthier planet. Hopefully limit…

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

I think that this Pandemic might be just enough to shake up sales culture. For quite a while we've semi-illogically held on to in person sales being a premium experience - instead of salesmen being able to dial in and demo something remotely they'll be flown around from office to office to show it off in person. They do this because it works, because western culture values that "personal touch" and it actually pays for the price of flying these folks around.

I am hoping that we can at least ditch the majority of business related flights when we come through this crisis as that alone would really dampen air flight volume.

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