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Stay civil.
Stay truthful.
The truth is calling someone a "fanboy" is childish and virtually guaranteed to send the discussion in a bad direction.
Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
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Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
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If you respond to something I actually wrote, I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
He did. Your comment was a long winded apologetic on why Apple was justified in lying, bending the truth, and promoting half truths. You started by saying "I don't agree" then ended up "Apple needs to state their viewpoints" which is subtly justifying their behavior. In my opinion, this is an open and shut case of Steve not being honest in his keynote, and he should be called out. It's especially disappointing to hea…
You are confusing explanation with justification.
I think steve jobs was dishonest in presenting that uncorrected quote from the Samsung executive. It lessens him in my eyes and it has been called out already.
Does that mean we can't attempt to understand his motivation without being called names? Must every statement about the subject begin with 'Steve Jobs is a liar'?
It's worth pointing out that nothing else he said even comes close to being a lie.
Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
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That was definitely a response to what you wrote. However, I don't think it's a fair to demand: "JUST condemn it, and offer no excuses." You're free to excuse if you like.
I didn't make excuses. I said it was negative and that I didn't like it. I attempted to explain why I thought he was doing it. I find it interesting to try to understand people's motivations rather than condemn them even if I dislike what they are doing.
Isn't the motivation "they lie to sell more devices" - which is what your post seems to dance around, without outright saying it? Or am I oversimplifying?
Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
#154Are we really debating whether a CEO over-hyped his product in a keynote? Next we'll be taking apart a sales rep for saying his product is better than its competitors.
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Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
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Asus has superior build quality to Apple (measured in failures within 3 years; Apple is around 17% and Asus is 15%, as I recall), lots of original designs (they started the netbook craze, and have a line of laptops made with bamboo), and they don't look half bad either. The U36Jc is completely comparable spec-wise to the 13-inch macbook pro, except for lacking an optical drive, while costing $200 less. It also has be…
I suspect this is more of a branding issue. Macbook Pro is a relatively memorable name; U36Jc took me longer to type than the rest of this sentence, let alone remember (I won't). Apple is better at being the original-design-brand, even if they're not the only brand doing awesome original design.
"I suspect this is more of a branding issue."
It's a choice issue, too. If my next laptop is a MacBook, I know that I have basically one choice to make: how big I want the screen. If I'm a penny-pincher, I can check out the refurb section of the Apple Store, but in general, I really only have one choice.
If I want to get an Asus, where do I even start? Screen size, resolution, weight, price, processor, presence or not of optical drive? How do today's models stack up against yesterday's? How much would I gain in price and trade off in performance by seeking out a store model or overstock one from six months ago?
Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
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What data are basing the opinions of "most people" and "average consumers" on?
Does it matter? Are you disputing the claim? Do you think that people care more about the ability to bounce their laptop off of concrete than aesthetics?
Depends on which group you look into. The social level who can afford to buy apple? Most likely not that many.
Those who can't afford to change the laptop if it breaks (or who would find this to be a major expense)? Yeah, I can believe that.
Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
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1) I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong From the article: Apple sold 14.8 mln iPads. Samsung sold 2 mln Tabs. Do you imply that these figures are not correct? If so, please provide better data. But if we use these figures, Apple has 14.8 / (14.8 + 2) ~ 88% market share, and a claim about "> 90%" is outright wrong. Please note that no other competitors were included in this count. 2) What's wrong wi…
2 million Tabs is the number shipped to stores, not sold to consumers. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sa... No real number given, but anything under 1.6 million makes 90% feasible.
Here's an independant 3rd party that saw 0.9 million Galaxy tabs activated in December alone.
http://blog.flurry.com/bid/54035/Android-Special-Report-Is-S...
It seems that despite the correction, we apparently still believe that the sell-through was "small" rather than "smooth". Even though Samsung themselves raised their estimated sales in November, suggesting it was doing better than they expected.
Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't make excuses. I said it was negative and that I didn't like it. I attempted to explain why I thought he was doing it. I find it interesting to try to understand people's motivations rather than condemn them even if I dislike what they are doing.
Isn't the motivation "they lie to sell more devices" - which is what your post seems to dance around, without outright saying it? Or am I oversimplifying?
You're oversimplifying. The misquote of the Samsung executive is the only thing he said that might be dishonest. Unlike the original statement by Samsung that they sold 2 million devices.
The fact is that executives in the industry make misleading statements all the time. These statements end up in headlines and do influence people. This is fact.
Does this mean I like it? Of course not. Do I think it would be better if Jobs was a lot more careful to say things that are unimpeachably clean - very much so.
I think they make these kinds of statements to try to counteract the kinds of falsehoods that others are making.
Other than the Samsung quote, Jobs didn't lie. How is exaggerating the outrage and pretending that he did, any better than what he's accused of?
Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth
#159Are we really debating whether a CEO over-hyped his product in a keynote? Next we'll be taking apart a sales rep for saying his product is better than its competitors.
There's a difference between over-hyping and telling lies.
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are there really millions of Galaxy Tab users ? Anyway, I don't think it's that 'devious' of a lie considering the iPad 2 will simply replace the iPad line, which sells 1 million per month, and will probably do more with the new device. It's not technically true just yet, but it almost certainly will be in a month's time. It would be different if the iPad 2 was a whole new product line.
It's not technically true just yet, but it almost certainly will be in a month's time.
Well, let him say it in a month's time. Until then, it's not true -- technically or otherwise.