Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors • Hacker News Board

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by ryangittins » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:20 AM UTC

tzs wrote: post #33

ryangittins wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow. Two given colors being indistinguishable doesn't imply that any two colors are indistinguishable.

Your suggestion was that if two colors are indistinguishable, they should have that name. But given any two colors A and B you can construct a sequence C1 = A, C2, C3, ..., Cn = B where adjacent colors Ci and Ci+1 are indistinguishable from each other, and so need the same name, for 1 <= i < n. Hence, A and B have to have the same name.

The problem with your argument is that indistinguishable doesn't mean the equal. I'm not saying there is no difference between adjacent colors. I'm saying that the difference is indistinguishable. A lot of indistinguishable differences add to a distinguishable difference.

Think about it with numbers: if your sequence A, B, C... are each zero units apart, then yes, A = B = C = ...

In actuality, though, they are not zero units apart. They are a small, but positive distance apart. Those tiny differences add up so the distance from A to C is twice as far as the distance from A to B.

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by fizixer » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:22 AM UTC

ryangittins wrote: post #4

I'm curious—is there a point to giving two separate names to two colors which are indistinguishable from one another to the human eye? There are zero people in the world who can tell #FF4500 from #FF4501, so aren't they effectively the same color?

I can't take it as more than a joke.

Or maybe lockdown is really getting to their head.

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by 333c » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:23 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #9

ryangittins wrote: post #4

I'm curious—is there a point to giving two separate names to two colors which are indistinguishable from one another to the human eye? There are zero people in the world who can tell #FF4500 from #FF4501, so aren't they effectively the same color?

By induction, doesn’t that mean we would only have one color name?

"can't tell apart" isn't a transitive relation. That is, just because I can't tell A from B and I can't tell B from C doesn't mean I can't tell A from C.

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by remcob » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:24 AM UTC

xipho wrote: post #30

kccqzy wrote: post #5

I can't see this succeeding at all. Randall Munroe tried something similar and the results weren't encouraging: https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ > People are primed by the colors they saw previously, which adds overall noise and some biases to the data and > Moreover, monitors vary; RGB is not an absolute color space

2000 suggestions a hour seems like a success to me.

Would be fun to take all this data and interpolate it to all the 16M colours using a natural language model. We'll need this if we want to stand a chance against at ten bit colour depth.

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by kylek » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:30 AM UTC

"Blartreuse" ow my sides...

They need to have a way to sort by votes, or have a "Best of" or whatever. I was curious (and they provide the data! Thanks!)...so naturally-

  $ curl -sL https://colornames.org/download/colornames.zip | zcat | sort -nk3 -t, | tail -n10
  486d83,Blue Loneliness,0.069
  123456,Incremental Blue,0.071
  1eeb01,Creeper Aw Man,0.072
  336699,MetaFilter Blue,0.077
  abcdef,Alphabet Blue,0.078
  696969,Nice,0.124
  b83c73,Red Tedir,0.139
  ff0000,Red,0.249
  ffffff,White,0.417
  000000,Lil Huddy,1

Edit: sorry..."Focus Group Blue"...im dying

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by crazygringo » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:31 AM UTC

Makes me think of when xkcd did a survey to produce "objective" names of swathes of the RGB spectrum [1]:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/satfaces_map_huge.png

That was genuinely educational.

Colornames.org just seems to be a gimmick, kind of like the million dollar home page [2] -- remember that? But still fun though. :)

[1] https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/

[2] http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by etxm » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:40 AM UTC

I went to name a “Doodoo brown” and was warned 7 other doodoo browns exist.

Nice, I’ve found my people.

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by oefrha » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

Of course, 16.7M colors aren’t all colors, not even in “web space”. Enter color(display-p3). https://webkit.org/blog/10042/wide-gamut-color-in-css-with-d...

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by kkarakk » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

Voting system kinda ruins it, ppl game it too much and bring in western cultural references a lot so their choice goes to the top instantly

Re: Colornames.org – A collaborative effort to name all 16.7M colors

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Post by applecrazy » Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 4:52 AM UTC

Added "Hacker News Orange" to the list: https://colornames.org/color/ff6500

I'm struggling to figure out if this is a serious attempt, though.