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Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Post by lukifer »

NickPollard wrote: post #37
mambodog wrote: post #27

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I'm pretty sure there's room for a distinction between iPad-style media/web tablets and the simpler "reader" type ones like the Kindle and Nook.

I'm not arguing that, but remember the nook-color has internet, wifi, games and an app-store. Is that an e-reader or a tablet? (Note: that's all if you don't root it, those who do can do pretty much anything on it that android can do)

The iPad does compete with the Kindle, but they are clearly in different product categories. However, I'm inclined to agree that the Nook is closer to the iPad than the Kindle, without even having to root it.

Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Post by egor83 »

tedunangst wrote: post #71
egor83 wrote: post #56

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1) I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong From the article: Apple sold 14.8 mln iPads. Samsung sold 2 mln Tabs. Do you imply that these figures are not correct? If so, please provide better data. But if we use these figures, Apple has 14.8 / (14.8 + 2) ~ 88% market share, and a claim about "> 90%" is outright wrong. Please note that no other competitors were included in this count. 2) What's wrong wi…

2 million Tabs is the number shipped to stores, not sold to consumers. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sa... No real number given, but anything under 1.6 million makes 90% feasible.

Okay.

Please provide your data on sales (on iPads, Samsung Tabs and other competitors you consider worthy) and show that iPad has more than 90% market share.

Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Post by rosser »

Bud wrote: post #69

Let's just take the bull by the horns here. Seth Weintraub's first sentence in this article, and ostensibly his main point, is: "Apple twisted facts (or worse) to try to convince crowds that all other tablets had no shot at de-throning the iPad in 2011." I'll put up $100 right now that says no competitor will sell more units than the iPad this year. I'd be surprised if anyone cracked 50%. Does anyone seriously doubt…

The guy who outright lied?

Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Post by kenjackson »

kgermino wrote: post #55
jonhohle wrote: post #41

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> Quite a few years ago, Apple was one of the design leaders in the laptop space, then others caught up, more or less. The same thing happened in the smartphone space. Who are these companies? Seriously. Have you used an Apple product side by side with a non Apple equivalent? Does any company come close to the build quality or original design of Apple? If other companies are almost catching up, it still means they ar…

I can't speak for design, I know most people think that Thinkpads look ugly, however regarding build quality I own a Thinkpad T500 I bought 2 years ago and I have: +Dropped it way more times than I can count, usually while closed and turned off but also while it was running, and while it was open (both running and not). +Totally stood on it, putting my full weight on the closed lid many times. +Left it running in my…

I know most people think that Thinkpads look ugly

I don't think so. Most people I know love the look of Thinkpads. It's still my favorite looking laptop. It has a classic styling too. It's a design that looked good 10 years ago, and still looks good now. I'm not sure any other laptop exists that can make that claim.

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Post by orangecat »

pmjordan wrote: post #33
NickPollard wrote: post #18

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So you're saying the iPad has sold more than 90% of all devices that are like iPads? Seems verging on tautological to me.

Do any of the Kindles, etc. have touch sensitive main screens? 'Tablet' isn't exactly a new term and has implied a large touchscreen for a long time now. Seems a reasonable distinction considering the difference in how you interact with the devices.

The Nook is literally a 7" Android tablet. (Capacitive multitouch screen, same CPU and GPU as Droid X). And a pretty good one once you root it, which consists of inserting an SD card and turning it on.

Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Post by JabavuAdams »

NickPollard wrote: post #18
wmeredith wrote: post #16

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Quite a large one, I'd imagine. The Nook and Kindle are a pretty far cry from the iPad in terms of capability. To me it seems like it's a very close parallel to a smart phone vs. a feature phone.

So you're saying the iPad has sold more than 90% of all devices that are like iPads? Seems verging on tautological to me.

Aka The No True Scotsman Fallacy

Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Post by kenjackson »

kmfrk wrote: post #68
coderdude wrote: post #60

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A cheap jab at Microsoft with no citations that doesn't even follow the conversation, in an Apple thread no less. I'm shocked.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm a Windows user. If you can't recall any egregious Microsoft failures, you're the fanboy trapped in a distortion field. Microsoft may have a lot of things going for them, but they are ginormous klutzes. Do you seriously think that there isn't stupidity involved in any billion-dollar projects and companies?

Charlie Sheen is also a ginormous klutz! What does he have to do with this discussion (besides the fact that he's a rockstar who should be a part of all discussions)? Nothing. Neither does Microsoft.

Re: Steve Jobs' reality distortion takes its toll on truth

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Post by rbarooah »

egor83 wrote: post #56
rbarooah wrote: post #48

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I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong unless you include boxes sitting in warehouses or returned products as 'sold'. What's wrong with the price comparison? I agree that the smooth/small thing was underhanded, although let's not forget that that statement was made as Samsung admitted that they hadn't actually sold 2m devices as they had previously claimed.

1) I don't see how the 90% market share statement is wrong From the article: Apple sold 14.8 mln iPads. Samsung sold 2 mln Tabs. Do you imply that these figures are not correct? If so, please provide better data. But if we use these figures, Apple has 14.8 / (14.8 + 2) ~ 88% market share, and a claim about "> 90%" is outright wrong. Please note that no other competitors were included in this count. 2) What's wrong wi…

What device would have been a better comparison for someone who cares about price?
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