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Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Do you have any evidence that social isolation will cause more deaths than an unchecked pandemic? That makes no sense.

Indeed, CDC's numbers for March indicate that social isolation is reducing non-ncovid-19 deaths by twice as much as sars-cov-2 is adding them. That's short term, so not what GP was talking about, but very significant numbers nonetheless.

They’re talking about the conservative/trumpy talking points of the economy being more important than grandparents.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Thats false. The UK's plan was to not quarantine ANYone. The young are basically immune to this. I'm saying quarantine the vulnerable populations and let the healthy populations out.

Just before I get into discussing this idea, I'm curious how sure you are about it. The way you describe it it's pretty much a simple solution that just needs implementing. How do you know exactly what the outcome would be?

From millions of data points it's shown unless you're older or vulnerable you have extremely minimal chance of dying.

Then the herd immunity would be build or close to it.

It's a much better solution than what we have now that simultaneously killing the economy and human rights.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Thats false. The UK's plan was to not quarantine ANYone. The young are basically immune to this. I'm saying quarantine the vulnerable populations and let the healthy populations out.

The UK's plan was specifically and explicitly to isolate vulnerable populations. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11191245/who-self-isolate-coro... > Government guidance is that people who are over 70, have an underlying health condition or are pregnant, are strongly advised to limit social interaction

What's interesting is that Sweden has no quarantine and has been averaging around 400 to 500 new cases daily while UK quarantined everyone and has 4000 to 5000 new cases daily.

The interesting thing is that the UK has 60 million people while Sweden has 10 million people.

So according to those numbers...how effective is quarantine?

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Thats false. The UK's plan was to not quarantine ANYone. The young are basically immune to this. I'm saying quarantine the vulnerable populations and let the healthy populations out.

Just before I get into discussing this idea, I'm curious how sure you are about it. The way you describe it it's pretty much a simple solution that just needs implementing. How do you know exactly what the outcome would be?

Sweden has no quarantine and has been averaging around 400 to 500 new cases daily while UK quarantined everyone and has 4000 to 5000 new cases daily.

The interesting thing is that the UK has 60 million people while Sweden has 10 million people.

So according to those numbers...how effective is quarantine?

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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How much % of young people end up in ICUs or hospital ? The numbers are always elusive about that.

According to CDC : Age group (yrs) 0–19 (123 cases) Hospitalization 1.6–2.5 ICU admission 0 Case-fatality 0 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

Thanks a lot!

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Honestly at this point if you could get FOX News to pick up the story, the White House will know about it immediately.

I am sure you are right, but I don’t happen to know anyone from FOX News. If you do get in contact with me.

I just forwarded your information and article to the producers for the top shows at Fox News. Let's see if they move on it and get in touch.

I've also done the same for CNN producers.

It'll be interesting to see who responds, if any. My standard advice still holds: Don't hold your breath. Sadly. All of these people are far more interested in ratings than things that matter.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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"We have a choice of taking some small risk now, or face the certainty of a much worse problem later. Time to accept some risk and do something." Agreed 100%. What about simply letting the people who young and healthy or immune go about their lives? Letting the young and healthy get sick and then become immune is essentially using an attenuated human instead of an attenuated virus. Same outcome though. This would bot…

This seems to the Swedish plan. What I have noticed with this plan is that a lot of vulnerable Swedes have died from this plan. I think we can do better.

Please post numbers instead of sensational posturing next time.

Sweden has no quarantine and has been averaging around 400 to 500 new cases daily while UK quarantined everyone and has 4000 to 5000 new cases daily.

The interesting thing is that the UK has 60 million people while Sweden has 10 million people.

So according to those numbers...how effective is quarantine?

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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This seems to the Swedish plan. What I have noticed with this plan is that a lot of vulnerable Swedes have died from this plan. I think we can do better.

Please post numbers instead of sensational posturing next time. Sweden has no quarantine and has been averaging around 400 to 500 new cases daily while UK quarantined everyone and has 4000 to 5000 new cases daily. The interesting thing is that the UK has 60 million people while Sweden has 10 million people. So according to those numbers...how effective is quarantine?

Sweden is not doing too much testing either. I am not sure if the UK is a good comparison as they are not really in lockdown at the moment. I think the better comparison is to Norway and Denmark.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Yes, but this idea of mine is not one of these ideas.

I read your idea, but it doesn't address the exact points I listed - selecting a "less deadly" strain and having fingers crossed that immunity persists. So far, many have insufficient antibody counts and get reinfected. I just saw a number around 20%.

There are lots of things we don’t know right now. This is not a reason for not acting.

If my proposal works we don’t need to worry about immunity persisting because the dangerous strains will be driven to extinction.

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