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You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by netfl0 »

saltyfever wrote: post #55
fennecfoxen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also as old a story as Genesis 3:19. “By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

Gensis is talking about farmers working the land for food. Modern work is an invention of man built on top of it, it's a degenerate replica in terms of satisifcation, necessity, meaning etc. It's not the same story. Edit: I'd like to see the downvoters argue against the notion that some work is more essential than other work. Hasn't the COVID-19 crisis opened your eyes to this reality?

That is not true. It is a metaphor for generic work.

Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by payattentionhm »

noir_lord wrote: post #7

Other than the author having the ability to use large words I'm not sure what I was supposed to have come away with from this piece at all, it's just word salad.

This comment says more about your reading comprehension skills than anything else.

Maybe try making a more substantive comment once you've had a proper crack at understanding the author's piece?

Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by payattentionhm »

peignoir wrote: post #6

It’s ad reductio it’s like saying soccer is pushing a ball. You could also say life is waking up eating sleeping and then death. It’s true but it’s definitely an emotional argument. I preferred the lectures on free will by Conway, it does not answer anything but it allows for a nice réflexion

Is your comment based solely on the headline?

There's an entire article behind it as well, and it's an interesting read.

Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by 34679 »

scroot wrote: post #50
lotsofpulp wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First time I’ve read that providing clean water on demand to everyone at a sufficient pressure is “minimal effort”. To me, the infrastructure and experimentation and science that leads to all homes having reliable, potable water is miraculous. There’s very large swaths of the planet where you are supposed to drink only bottled water, from a bottle unsealed in front of you.

> There’s very large swaths of the planet where you are supposed to drink only bottled water Is that the "natural" order of things? Certainly it isn't, at least no more than markets or money represent a "natural order." In fact, we can make a convincing case that the tainting of fresh water is the direct consequence of this kind of market-oriented thought.

You could make that argument, but there appears to be a positive correlation between robust markets and clean drinking water for everyone.

Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by [deleted] »

saltyfever wrote: post #55
fennecfoxen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also as old a story as Genesis 3:19. “By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

Gensis is talking about farmers working the land for food. Modern work is an invention of man built on top of it, it's a degenerate replica in terms of satisifcation, necessity, meaning etc. It's not the same story. Edit: I'd like to see the downvoters argue against the notion that some work is more essential than other work. Hasn't the COVID-19 crisis opened your eyes to this reality?

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Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by hudibras »

peignoir wrote: post #6

It’s ad reductio it’s like saying soccer is pushing a ball. You could also say life is waking up eating sleeping and then death. It’s true but it’s definitely an emotional argument. I preferred the lectures on free will by Conway, it does not answer anything but it allows for a nice réflexion

In every HN comment section, there's always, 100% of the time, at least one person who only reads the title of the piece (in this case, a song lyric from The Verve) and still has the nerve to post a comment.

Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by RHSeeger »

mjw1007 wrote: post #52
dhsysusbsjsi wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my god I'm glad it's not just me. I gave up at: "...the distribution of wealth and popular acquiescence in the vicissitudes of the market—the hoi polloi might vote themselves welfare states or even socialism." Word salad is understatement of the day.

It's not my favourite style of writing, but it's by no means word salad. That paragraph presents a single coherent line of thought. They could have chosen simpler individual words, but there's nothing difficult in the phrasing or structure.

> They could have chosen simpler individual words

And they should have. I can put together a sentence using a lot of words most people won't know. It will be a valid sentence, and it will mean what I want it to mean, but a lot of people won't be able to understand what I intended it to mean.

Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by dangus »

thefounder wrote: post #26
raverbashing wrote: post #19

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Agreed. We might as well say, you're a slave to oxygen and water, then you die.

Not really. It's not like you are workibg all your life to "earn" oxygen and water. Fortunately(for most of us) we are living in an utopia as far as oxygen and water is concerned. You get them for "free"/with minimal effort.

Water isn’t the problem, it’s sanitation, as in having flushing toilets and sewers.

More people have mobile phones than have access to improved sanitation.

Without it, you die early of disease.

Humanity really didn’t even control their poop all that well until a couple of hundred years ago with the invention of the modern toilet and the S-trap.

Re: You're a Slave to Money, Then You Die

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Post by ThomPete »

phaemon wrote: post #14
ThomPete wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If machines are slaves then yes.

That would make sense if everything was produced entirely by machines, but it doesn't make any sense in the current real world.

Neither does it make sense to call people who work for you to provide for their families slaves.
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