If the authors come up with a better spec that achieves the same thing with improved privacy then sure, let's not use the Apple/Google one. But until then, this is the best we have.
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#43Too late. If governments ever want to make a Bluetooth contact tracking app mandatory, they can already do so, and could have done so before this platform was created. All Google and Apple are doing is making it very marginally easier.
I read somewhere that there are beacon detectors throughout many retail stores that track people throughout the store. That’s been in place for some time.
Yes, estimote[0] for example is one example of this.
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#44They are trying to prevent both millions of deaths and and worst economic collapse in modern age. Privacy isn't as important. Fight this thing when corona-virus is over.
This is exactly the kind of dumb mentally the government wants, and you fell right into the trap. They always use situations like that to push bad stuff that won't be easy to ditch later...
> This is exactly the kind of dumb mentally the government wants,
Is this supposed to be an argument?
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#45I don’t find this convincing at all. Proposed system is incredibly privacy-conscious, with all the control of self-reporting left to the user.
Let’s not stop this initiative that protects health and safety of societies that can trust their health authorities— and there are many.
We should be vigilant and try to stop autocratical implementations or misuses of the system. But it seems that even that will be difficult considering how the system is designed. And if governments can compel you to install some app on your phone, no amount of stopping Apple / Google will help.
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#46They are trying to prevent both millions of deaths and and worst economic collapse in modern age. Privacy isn't as important. Fight this thing when corona-virus is over.
Same exact thing could be (and was) said about terrorism and the patriot act.
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#47Moxie Marlinspike has an interesting analysis on this: https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1248707315626201088
Published keys are 16 bytes, one for each day. If moderate numbers of smartphone users are infected in any given week, that's 100s of MBs for all phones to DL.
That seems untenable.
It's a lot, but untenable? If 300 million report as infected, that's 4.8 GB, coincidently the size of a DVD. So 2 hours of Netflix, 1 hour at 4k. Very easy to cache this data close to the edge, too.
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#48If the authors come up with a better spec that achieves the same thing with improved privacy then sure, let's not use the Apple/Google one. But until then, this is the best we have.
You are starting from the premise “we must implement this feature”
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#49Wait until this fellow hears about Apple's "Find My" feature:
> In upcoming versions of iOS and macOS, the new Find My feature will broadcast Bluetooth signals from Apple devices even when they're offline, allowing nearby Apple devices to relay their location to the cloud. That should help you locate your stolen laptop even when it's sleeping in a thief's bag. And it turns out that Apple's elaborate encryption scheme is also designed not only to prevent interlopers from identifying or tracking an iDevice from its Bluetooth signal, but also to keep Apple itself from learning device locations, even as it allows you to pinpoint yours.
* https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/06/the-c...
* https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2019/06/05/how-does...
Re: Stop the Apple and Google contact tracing platform
#50Too late. If governments ever want to make a Bluetooth contact tracking app mandatory, they can already do so, and could have done so before this platform was created. All Google and Apple are doing is making it very marginally easier.
I read somewhere that there are beacon detectors throughout many retail stores that track people throughout the store. That’s been in place for some time.
That's been also done via cameras in the past: https://augustcapital.typepad.com/news/2012/08/e-commerce-st...
But it's likely wifi pings and bluetooth details would be added to the mix these days.