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Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by battery_cowboy » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:40 AM UTC

jimhefferon wrote: post #5

The article seemed to me to be a mix of two things, railing against the costs (blamed on the rise of administrators), and railing against the existence of diversity administrators. I'm a professor employed at my present institution, a small liberal arts school, since 1990. I am not an administrator of any kind, don't read the Chronicle , and don't understand where all the money goes. I will say though, that when I st…

I think costs are so high because every institution needs to spend more money each year to continue to grow, and growth has infected finance and academia like a virus, forcing us into a race to the bottom to continue to feed the growth death cult. Diversity is just a Boogeyman that those same cultists use as redirection from their own crimes because it's easy to convince people that the other guy is out to get you.

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by mikeatgl » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

fastball wrote: post #10

jimhefferon wrote: post #5

The article seemed to me to be a mix of two things, railing against the costs (blamed on the rise of administrators), and railing against the existence of diversity administrators. I'm a professor employed at my present institution, a small liberal arts school, since 1990. I am not an administrator of any kind, don't read the Chronicle , and don't understand where all the money goes. I will say though, that when I st…

The US is 72.4% white. You would then expect there to be 27.6% non-white students at any particular institution, assuming no racial discrimination, etc. So then why is 40% non-white a desirable outcome? I thought the point was to compensate for exclusion / marginalization / discrimination, in which case the target should be that aforementioned 27.6%. EDIT: since many people are replying to me saying that using the na…

"The White, non-Hispanic or Latino population make up 61.3% of the nation's total, with the total White population (including White Hispanics and Latinos) being 76.9%." - Wikipedia

"White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent: 60.4%" - census.gov

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by battery_cowboy » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

fastball wrote: post #10

jimhefferon wrote: post #5

The article seemed to me to be a mix of two things, railing against the costs (blamed on the rise of administrators), and railing against the existence of diversity administrators. I'm a professor employed at my present institution, a small liberal arts school, since 1990. I am not an administrator of any kind, don't read the Chronicle , and don't understand where all the money goes. I will say though, that when I st…

The US is 72.4% white. You would then expect there to be 27.6% non-white students at any particular institution, assuming no racial discrimination, etc. So then why is 40% non-white a desirable outcome? I thought the point was to compensate for exclusion / marginalization / discrimination, in which case the target should be that aforementioned 27.6%. EDIT: since many people are replying to me saying that using the na…

Man, you twisted this comment so much to extract that message. The commenter is likely saying it's good that the campus is more representative, not that they're for the elimination of whites or some shit. Also, you don't know where they live. Where I come from, it's about 80 percent nonwhite. Before you comment, consider that the story you make up in your head isn't always the most likely.

Edit: Hawaii has 25 percent whites, so my estimate was correct.

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by martin_a » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

One can only shake his head when you hear about how things work in America.

Why are you so hostile against each other and/or the weaker/younger/non-wealthy people?

In most of Europe, education is free. You'll obviously have to take care of your own cost of living, but there are no real fees where you come out of your education and have 100k in debt.

Why do things in America work so different? It's not (yet) a third world country, it could probably easily finance things like these for its residents. But instead you milk your youth, leave them with debt and shrug your shoulders about things like these?

Why?

(free = Universities in Germany have what is called "Semesterbeitrag". This varies but for my university it was like 700 €/year and you would get free transportation in NRW with that and more benefits.)

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by uk_programmer » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:45 AM UTC

jimhefferon wrote: post #5

The article seemed to me to be a mix of two things, railing against the costs (blamed on the rise of administrators), and railing against the existence of diversity administrators. I'm a professor employed at my present institution, a small liberal arts school, since 1990. I am not an administrator of any kind, don't read the Chronicle , and don't understand where all the money goes. I will say though, that when I st…

Why is it a good thing there is more non-white students? Why does it matter what ethnicity they are if they have the right grades to go there? I don't give a shit about someone's sex or race when working with someone, nor do I go around a room counting how many white co-workers I have. I am baffled by it.

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by fastball » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:45 AM UTC

battery_cowboy wrote: post #13

fastball wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is 72.4% white. You would then expect there to be 27.6% non-white students at any particular institution, assuming no racial discrimination, etc. So then why is 40% non-white a desirable outcome? I thought the point was to compensate for exclusion / marginalization / discrimination, in which case the target should be that aforementioned 27.6%. EDIT: since many people are replying to me saying that using the na…

Man, you twisted this comment so much to extract that message. The commenter is likely saying it's good that the campus is more representative, not that they're for the elimination of whites or some shit. Also, you don't know where they live. Where I come from, it's about 80 percent nonwhite. Before you comment, consider that the story you make up in your head isn't always the most likely. Edit: Hawaii has 25 percent…

I am using national statistics given a lack of information by the GP. If the GP wants to update with a more accurate location, they are free to, and we can have this discussion with better accuracy. Without that, the "story in my head" is, in fact, the most likely.

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by battery_cowboy » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:48 AM UTC

fastball wrote: post #16

battery_cowboy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, you twisted this comment so much to extract that message. The commenter is likely saying it's good that the campus is more representative, not that they're for the elimination of whites or some shit. Also, you don't know where they live. Where I come from, it's about 80 percent nonwhite. Before you comment, consider that the story you make up in your head isn't always the most likely. Edit: Hawaii has 25 percent…

I am using national statistics given a lack of information by the GP. If the GP wants to update with a more accurate location, they are free to, and we can have this discussion with better accuracy. Without that, the "story in my head" is, in fact, the most likely.

Also: It doesn't even matter what statistics are correct, your assumption that the original commenter was celebrating antiwhite sentiment is absurd by itself.

Original:

You're using statistics for the whole USA. There are half a million people here, you're just regressing to the mean, some states have a larger percent nonwhite people.

Hawaii has 25 percent whites, so my estimate was correct.

Edit: also, your stats are wrong, see the other comment and get some perspective.

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by dmos62 » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:52 AM UTC

fastball wrote: post #16

battery_cowboy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, you twisted this comment so much to extract that message. The commenter is likely saying it's good that the campus is more representative, not that they're for the elimination of whites or some shit. Also, you don't know where they live. Where I come from, it's about 80 percent nonwhite. Before you comment, consider that the story you make up in your head isn't always the most likely. Edit: Hawaii has 25 percent…

I am using national statistics given a lack of information by the GP. If the GP wants to update with a more accurate location, they are free to, and we can have this discussion with better accuracy. Without that, the "story in my head" is, in fact, the most likely.

You threw around racial discrimination because the national average white-concentration is 10% off from what the other commentor said, while, at the same time, again, you don't even know where the school is within US. Your use of statistics is a bad kind of quick-think.

Edit: noticed your nickname is fastball. A bit ironic.

Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:52 AM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #14

One can only shake his head when you hear about how things work in America. Why are you so hostile against each other and/or the weaker/younger/non-wealthy people? In most of Europe, education is free. You'll obviously have to take care of your own cost of living, but there are no real fees where you come out of your education and have 100k in debt. Why do things in America work so different? It's not (yet) a third w…

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Re: Even during a crisis, colleges abuse their economic and reputational privileges

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Post by fastball » Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 10:52 AM UTC

mikeatgl wrote: post #12

fastball wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is 72.4% white. You would then expect there to be 27.6% non-white students at any particular institution, assuming no racial discrimination, etc. So then why is 40% non-white a desirable outcome? I thought the point was to compensate for exclusion / marginalization / discrimination, in which case the target should be that aforementioned 27.6%. EDIT: since many people are replying to me saying that using the na…

"The White, non-Hispanic or Latino population make up 61.3% of the nation's total, with the total White population (including White Hispanics and Latinos) being 76.9%." - Wikipedia "White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent: 60.4%" - census.gov

What is your point? Hispanics/latinos can be identified as white. The percent of people in the US that are white by the 2010 census definition is 72.4%.