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Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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I thought they were bricked from the factory because of the shit keyboard that only works in clean room conditions.

And I’m not talking hearsay here, I own one and the keyboard is as shitty as the entire internet says. Comparing to my previous MacBooks that had no keyboard problems when used outdoors too.

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Are people not using auto-update?

Auto update is granting RCE to the vendor, as well as anyone who can compel the vendor to push updates to your device.

The Apple updater system can target specific machines (not sure if it’s by serial or MAC address or what).

I do not want point and click military intelligence RCE capability on my machines.

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"Bricked" is relative, depending on your skill level. For some consumers, if recovery mode doesn't work that might be the end of line. However, there are more advanced users that can access the storage via another system and fix it there, hook up via serial port or JTAG and flash new firmware, or even desolder and replace chips. On the far other end of the spectrum, there's going to be people that consider "doesn't s…

Is the power system in your house bricked if you don't know how to reset the fuse? Is your car bricked if your battery dies and you need help to replace it? Maybe, but this sounds really strange to my ears. I think for me the difference between bricked and non bricked is the expense of the repair, and maybe if it's more than the value of the device. If the wiring in your house is all melted after lightning strike the…

For a lot of people, any non-normal state == bricked. Especially now, when the genius bar isn't open.

And yes, there's a difference between a soft brick and a hard brick, and it depends on your ability to repair.

Getting my phone stuck in a bootloop is usually a soft brick, but my Pixel went into one a few years ago for no apparent reason (likely mobo failure) and that was beyond my capacity to repair or diagnose, so it's bricked.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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It's not "bricked" if you can fix it in Recovery Mode. Still bad that it's happening, but the term "bricked" is thrown around so flippantly these days. If a piece of tech is bricked, it's not recoverable at all.

Brick different.

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Ditto. My worst problem has been that some games on Steam claim they don’t work on Mojave... but they do.

This is due to Steam adding a new checkbox that requires the game's developer to specifically click an extra checkbox to signify compatibility with Catalina (and optionally, specify if the binary is notarized and/or signed [don't recall which, or is possibly both]). Steam almost always already knows if the game has a '64-bit macOS depot' configured -- ie ships 64-bit binary for macOS -- though in some cases the 'depo…

There are plenty of games that are 32-bit only, even recent ones.

Apple killed them all for no reason.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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Typical HN response, there is no multi-million dollar exchange going on here. How about filling in some of the blanks or correct the wrong parts yourself? This is such an unnecessary defensive response.

Great I love this response! People go into Karen mode here, yes they bought expensive piece of hardware with expensive operating system. Though site is rather technically minded they still underestimate how complex are those things. It just another "Dropbox? Who needs that I can do the same in an hour", but somehow they don't realize when you have a budget, timelines and as always not enough developers who understand…

Especially when it's a developing story and probably published in a rush (in less than ideal situations). Mistakes happen and the informative side is more important at these times.

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It's not "bricked" if you can fix it in Recovery Mode. Still bad that it's happening, but the term "bricked" is thrown around so flippantly these days. If a piece of tech is bricked, it's not recoverable at all.

English is not my native language and this is the first time I hear about this “bricked” expression. What does it mean?

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Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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To render a device completely inoperable, turning your computer into an expensive brick.

I remember it was originally used for smartphones, which makes sense because of their size is comparable to an actual brick.

When computers were bigger heavier and not the size of cell phones, you could say "door stopped".

https://www.techopedia.com/definition/18959/doorstop

But you can't keep a door opened with a broken cell phone, so they had to invent a new mobile-friendly term "bricked".

For a mainframe or minicomputer, you could say "monolithed" or "bouldered".

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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To render a device completely inoperable, turning your computer into an expensive brick.

I remember it was originally used for smartphones, which makes sense because of their size is comparable to an actual brick.

It predates smartphones by at least a decade, maybe several decades. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/488450/etymology...

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"Bricked" is relative, depending on your skill level. For some consumers, if recovery mode doesn't work that might be the end of line. However, there are more advanced users that can access the storage via another system and fix it there, hook up via serial port or JTAG and flash new firmware, or even desolder and replace chips. On the far other end of the spectrum, there's going to be people that consider "doesn't s…

Granted there's no formal definition of "bricked" it usually means a hardware requirement to restore functionality. I'd like to keep it this way even to the general lay person. Because if you need hardware the barrier to entry goes up significantly. Agreed that 'bricked' is not the right term here.

I consider bricked to be anything you need specialized tools for. So JTAG-fiddly-stuff-required would be bricked, but if I can get the thing working by moving some jumpers or entering some advanced recovery mode while reading about it on the internet, that's not bricked. It's also bricked if you have to replace hardware, like if you have to replace a chip or a board.
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