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Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany

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Re: Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany

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Germany (like a few other countries) is in the situation "too much lockdown, too few sick". So it has to remove those lockdowns. This creates a fun political dynamic where the authorities who just spend a month scaring the population in doors now has to explain and justify why it is ok to go out and get a little sick.

I disagree. If we can push the R0 low enough such that active case numbers decline to be less than a thousand, we can implement aggressive test/trace measures that would allow us to lift restrictions altogether, hopefully forever. We need an infrastructure to test people rapidly and often, we need an infrastructure to develop rapid containment and quarantines and so forth. We need to act, as if we'd never get rid of…

Fully agree. Just one comment: there is a middle ground, where we lift most, but not all restrictions. While we keep a lot of anti-infection measures. For example, most businesses can open, with the distance rules still paid attention too. But we would avoild to have the most critical events, like big parties, trade shows, concerts, football games. And of course, still try to maintain proper hygene, like hand washing and possibly mask wearing.

By this we could reduce the risk of infections by a huge amount compared to the pre-lockdown behavior but still have a pretty normal life. If we managed to get the number of infectios people small enough during the lock down, together with active measures like testing, tracking, etc. it might be good enough to keep the infection rate at or below 1.

Re: Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These 500bn are loans from the ESM. The part of that will go to support public healthcare will be without conditions, but the rest that will go to support the other parts of the economies will be given on conditions of austerity. This agreement comes on the heels of the rejection of what 9 Eurozone countries including France had asked initially: A Eurobond, or coronabond as it made some headlines. That would have all…

Actually coronabonds would not allow the EU to borrow. It would allow individual countries to borrow with the guarantee given by all countries jointly. Those against it were mainly Netherlands, Austria and Finland, but Germany was not exactly a fan either. See it this way: everyone knows Italian debt at 140% of GDP is unsustainable. Successive governments have promised again and again to do something about it, but th…

I agree on your points regarding Italy and the same applies for Greece, Spain, etc.

But the problem is that unless this happens on European level, providing loans to economies that for whatever reason have not yet recovered from the crisis of 2010 is only going to make things worse for them. Putting more austerity on these countries provides the perfect ground for movements in favor of Italexit and Grexit. If that happens won't it affect the Eurozone as a whole and, by extensions, the economies of the surplas countries?

In other words, can we afford not to deal with it at a European level?

Re: Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany

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Facepalm. Your PDF is from March 20th. Watch recent Cuomo's pressers from the past few days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prq-RZfDO8Y . Skip to 13:23 or so to see the chart, followed by ICU admissions chart. Didn't read the rest of your message, sorry. You're being gaslit.

You mean the charts labelled change in total hospital/ICU admissions ? Based on your folkloric grasp of the English language, you have clearly misinterpreted those graphs. Hint: key words are "change" and "total".

Aren't both of you guys of ex-USSR origin though? :)

Re: Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These 500bn are loans from the ESM. The part of that will go to support public healthcare will be without conditions, but the rest that will go to support the other parts of the economies will be given on conditions of austerity. This agreement comes on the heels of the rejection of what 9 Eurozone countries including France had asked initially: A Eurobond, or coronabond as it made some headlines. That would have all…

Actually coronabonds would not allow the EU to borrow. It would allow individual countries to borrow with the guarantee given by all countries jointly. Those against it were mainly Netherlands, Austria and Finland, but Germany was not exactly a fan either. See it this way: everyone knows Italian debt at 140% of GDP is unsustainable. Successive governments have promised again and again to do something about it, but th…

That's not true, Italy's debit was slowly declining till 2009, the big financial crisis that originated in the US and it was mostly because of US bank and funds. after that there was a sharp increase but it then stabilised at least.

In my understanding there is only a blunt no to the coronabond, not a request fro more condition.

It was unfortunate that it started with Italy, and been the first with an outbreak like that in Europe push them to take brave decisions.

To me it feels more like that these countries don't want to help because they feel it's Italy's fault and they need to pay.

But what about all the money that was given for free to Germany to rebuild after the second war war, despite a long history of aggression?

It's not a surprise that people wants to break the EU, it's sad to see this project heading this way.

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