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But I have the feeling, in Germany we are doing pretty good for ourselves.
I don't think this will be over soon, but when I look at our numbers, I just can't see it getting much worse, let alone as bad as our neighbors or the US has it...
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The Chinese recommendations document ( Handbook of COVID-19 Prevention and Treatment available from https://covid-19.alibabacloud.com/ ) suggests oxygen early on, and not keeping patients on noninvasive ventilation for long before moving on to invasive, or skipping noninvasive altogether (intubating earlier rather than later) gives better outcomes. I suspect this is what the parent post is referencing. However, this…
Thanks for that. I have really serious lung problems and spent years homeless. While homeless, I used to just stand outside my tent and cough up massive amounts of fluid and gunk so I could breathe when I laid down to sleep. Based on my experiences with my incurable lung disorder, I'm fairly confident we could be doing more with non-invasive techniques even at fairly advanced stages.
Germany (like a few other countries) is in the situation "too much lockdown, too few sick". So it has to remove those lockdowns. This creates a fun political dynamic where the authorities who just spend a month scaring the population in doors now has to explain and justify why it is ok to go out and get a little sick.
I strongly disagree with the statement, that we have "too few sick" here in Germany. With the lockdown, we managed to just keep the health system from being completely overloaded in the most infected regions. But that already at the price of postponing non-urgent medical procedures. So yes, there are a few free beds in hospitals still, but we might still need them. What is not accounted for is, that supplies (masks..…
The current level of lockdown is unmaintainable as this virus is probably going to be here for a year or two. However it is very hard for our politicians to say: It is too expensive to save these lives - other lives are cheaper to save.
In a way the media coverage has been so effective that people actually do not want the restrictions lifted.
Translation of the German captions: The number of hospitals that report that their ICU capacities as: Blue: Has Free Capacities (639 currently) Yellow: Some Contention (326 currently) Red: Fully Utilized (41 currently) Covid 19 patients in ICUs: 2453 (76% of which are on ventilators) ICU beds reported by hospitals: 19,663 (58% in use currently)
People from other countries are always hating "just wait, we laughed too, but then things got worse!" But I have the feeling, in Germany we are doing pretty good for ourselves. I don't think this will be over soon, but when I look at our numbers, I just can't see it getting much worse, let alone as bad as our neighbors or the US has it...
People from other countries are always hating "just wait, we laughed too, but then things got worse!" But I have the feeling, in Germany we are doing pretty good for ourselves. I don't think this will be over soon, but when I look at our numbers, I just can't see it getting much worse, let alone as bad as our neighbors or the US has it...
According to the district office there are 778 cases in the district of Ortenau right now [1]. Curiously the map colors indicate shortages in several places but checking the individual clinics yield 0 cases. [1] https://www.ortenaukreis.de/Politik-Verwaltung/Verwaltung/Si...
... I am aware cases != clinic beds. But 0 clinical cases at 778 total cases is unlikely (right?).
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I strongly disagree with the statement, that we have "too few sick" here in Germany. With the lockdown, we managed to just keep the health system from being completely overloaded in the most infected regions. But that already at the price of postponing non-urgent medical procedures. So yes, there are a few free beds in hospitals still, but we might still need them. What is not accounted for is, that supplies (masks..…
> I strongly disagree with the statement, that we have "too few sick" here in Germany. We want to be close to maximum capacity (but just under) though, and we're not. If "the curve" is too flat, it gets drawn out much more than necessary, and nobody should fool themselves into thinking that this can be a permanent setup. You'll need martial law if you want to confine everyone to their homes for 12+ months.
Translation of the German captions: The number of hospitals that report that their ICU capacities as: Blue: Has Free Capacities (639 currently) Yellow: Some Contention (326 currently) Red: Fully Utilized (41 currently) Covid 19 patients in ICUs: 2453 (76% of which are on ventilators) ICU beds reported by hospitals: 19,663 (58% in use currently)
For example, I found a "clinic" for neurodiagnostic that has zero patients and is "fully utilized".
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I posted a link in my original comment to a source indicating that's not what doctors are concluding. It's also not what I'm concluding. While I'm not a doctor, my life literally depends upon me having a fairly substantial amount of knowledge about things like my lung function. In contrast, you opened with saying you don't have much medical knowledge, this just seems logical to you. I will suggest you do more reading…
I found the link you are probably referring to, but the article doesn't give any clear conclusion, other that it is known, that ventilation is a very harmful procedure. I would assume, for that reason, doctors wouldn't use ventilators until there is no other option to keep people breathing. Do you have a source for ventilators being used much earlier? If so, than this is certainly something which should be reconsider…
Some doctors are currently making a concerted effort to intentionally delay or avoid use of ventilators because they are concerned about the alarmingly high death rate associated with them. On the face of it, this implicitly admits that doctors haven't heretofore been exhausting all other treatment modalities before ordering use of a ventilator.
I don't know how to answer your last question. I've talked extensively about my firsthand experience with using alternative treatment modalities with my life threatening lung issues, but I'm not a doctor and I don't really have the background to assert anything more than I've already covered, which, as usual, is being dismissed by some commenters as anecdata.
Since I've already qualified it up front as "my firsthand personal experience," it seems entirely pointless to belabor any points about my opinions.
If the opinions of some random internet stranger (aka me) don't satisfy you and the opinions of medical professionals in the source I posted don't either, I think you probably need to do some digging to come up with the sorts of info that interest you.