Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany
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Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany
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#3Germany is pretty well equipped with ICU beds and they've increased the capacity even further in preparation for Corona. I'm not worried about Germany really. I'm more worried about other parts of Europe like eastern europe. A Czech friend told me they have barely any respirators in the country.
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#4Germany is pretty well equipped with ICU beds and they've increased the capacity even further in preparation for Corona. I'm not worried about Germany really. I'm more worried about other parts of Europe like eastern europe. A Czech friend told me they have barely any respirators in the country.
I think western countries have it worse:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospita...
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#5Germany is pretty well equipped with ICU beds and they've increased the capacity even further in preparation for Corona. I'm not worried about Germany really. I'm more worried about other parts of Europe like eastern europe. A Czech friend told me they have barely any respirators in the country.
I agree with your concerns about Eastern Europe. I have many friends there and their respective countries are not prepared at all in terms of resources.
Turkey has me the most worried at the moment. Turkey is maxing out its testing capacity every day, with cases rising by 4k like clockwork; 47k cases with very few recovered and it's accelerating. Their infrastructure can't handle the existing cases much less another 50k+ in the coming 7-10 days.
And then Russia. I wish there was a clearer picture of what was going on there. For example:
"Suifenhe in China’s far northeastern Heilongjiang province has seen an influx of Chinese people returning home, many infected with the virus, travelling by road from the Russian far eastern city of Vladivostok after flying there from Moscow."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-...
Re: Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany
#6Germany is pretty well equipped with ICU beds and they've increased the capacity even further in preparation for Corona. I'm not worried about Germany really. I'm more worried about other parts of Europe like eastern europe. A Czech friend told me they have barely any respirators in the country.
If it's any comfort, the death rate is so high with ventilators (80%+, which is bad even for ventilators) that some doctors are trying to avoid using them, if possible, because they are concerned the ventilators are actually killing people.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22819580
I previously suggested that ventilators were problematic and I wasn't happy with the rush to create more of them instead of promoting less invasive treatments. I'm glad some doctors are looking for alternatives, but we really need to be a lot more aggressive about that angle.
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#7Translation of the German captions:
The number of hospitals that report that their ICU capacities as:
Blue: Has Free Capacities (639 currently)
Yellow: Some Contention (326 currently)
Red: Fully Utilized (41 currently)
Covid 19 patients in ICUs: 2453 (76% of which are on ventilators)
ICU beds reported by hospitals: 19,663 (58% in use currently)
Re: Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany
#8Germany is pretty well equipped with ICU beds and they've increased the capacity even further in preparation for Corona. I'm not worried about Germany really. I'm more worried about other parts of Europe like eastern europe. A Czech friend told me they have barely any respirators in the country.
I think western countries have it worse: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospita...
From that list, Germany has more ICU beds per 100k inhabitants than any other country in that list except for the US, so it confirms that at least. Italy, France, Belgium, etc all have > 11, while Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Russia etc. have less than 10 each. Hungary and Czech republic have really good numbers, opposite to the trend and Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden, Denmark have really low numbers, also opposite to the trend.
So it's pretty mixed actually. Only gives me more countries to be worried about :(
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#9Translation of the German captions: The number of hospitals that report that their ICU capacities as: Blue: Has Free Capacities (639 currently) Yellow: Some Contention (326 currently) Red: Fully Utilized (41 currently) Covid 19 patients in ICUs: 2453 (76% of which are on ventilators) ICU beds reported by hospitals: 19,663 (58% in use currently)
Thank you.
The translation I saw described yellow as something like "emerging bottlenecks." There seem to be a lot of them in Bavaria, where I have relatives.
Re: Map of usage of intensive care beds in Germany
#10Germany is pretty well equipped with ICU beds and they've increased the capacity even further in preparation for Corona. I'm not worried about Germany really. I'm more worried about other parts of Europe like eastern europe. A Czech friend told me they have barely any respirators in the country.
If it's any comfort, the death rate is so high with ventilators (80%+, which is bad even for ventilators) that some doctors are trying to avoid using them, if possible, because they are concerned the ventilators are actually killing people. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22819580 I previously suggested that ventilators were problematic and I wasn't happy with the rush to create more of them instead of promoting…
Interesting points, thank you. I previously mostly had the death rate for "ordinary" ICU admissions in mind, which were 50%. Didn't know that once you are you are connected a ventilator, you have a 80% death rate.
To compare the effect of ventilators vs none, one needs good studies with randomized groups where one gets ventilators and the other doesn't. But I guess those aren't available and doing them is probably not possible due to moral issues.
I wonder if there are statistics that are the next best thing, death rate of people who doctors would have wanted to connect to ventilators but there were none available. You shouldn't compare it to the death rate of people with ventilators in places where there is ventilator shortage because then obviously there is some element of choice in who gets the ventilator and who doesn't, e.g. they choose the patients with the worst symptoms, or the patients with the largest chances of survival. Most places probably have/had shortages, so the data we have are all pretty bad to judge whether ventilators help, and if yes how much.