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Re: Japan to fund firms to shift production out of China

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Post by mantas »

int_19h wrote: post #387
magduf wrote: post #355

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Well it's pretty obvious that China is vying for the position, and the likeliest to achieve it.

In the long term, perhaps. But US is still dominant today, and that will not suddenly change next year - the gap is just too great. Besides, China would need to grow its power a lot to even be able to fit the same tier that US does today. And if they can't or don't want to, then the end result is likely a more decentralized world. Not every era is "Pax ..." - there are long gaps in between the fall of the old empire…

China has shitty positioning too. USA was positioned to be a beacon of freedom since it's founding. Meanwhile China is position as what... Authoritarian country that loves to slaughter it's citizens in various ways? That's not exactly a great idea to sell to the world. The only way China can get on top is by holding the rest of the world hostage. Either by military or commerce backed by military. But as all relationships built on fear, that'd be quite a fragile position.

Re: Japan to fund firms to shift production out of China

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Post by strategarius »

It should have been done years ago. Otherwise one day you may wake up and realize all your critical supplie chains (including not only iPhone, but also medicine and medical equipment) could be broken by communist totalitarian state, so you grip your teeth and love Communist Party and Comrade Xi, so as average Chinese citizen.

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Post by LatteLazy »

aianus wrote: post #391
LatteLazy wrote: post #300

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It baffles me. China has zero issue eliminating the slightest threat to the party. From book sellers in Hong Kong to religious minorities to the great firewall, no job too big, no threat too small. But apparently eliminating wet markets was unpopular and thats a no no. It worked when they did it after SARS. It saved a shit tonne of lives, it brought them one step closer to being a first world nation. But now its impo…

> I don't know why they won't do this The number of Chinese (still a minority) that want to eat exotic meats greatly outnumber the Chinese who want to read dissident books or use Twitter instead of Weibo. Censorship is not very unpopular there, but diet restrictions would be.

>Censorship is not very unpopular there, but diet restrictions would be.

That may well be true.

But necessary is necessary.

I honestly don't care if they want to eat bat or anything else (no one should be eating anything endangered). That's fine. But it needs to be done in a hygienic, responsible way.

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Post by serf »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #279
viklove wrote: post #232

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The WHO is obviously in China's pocket. I mean they can't even bring themselves to use the word Taiwan in public communications.

WHO does not officially recognize Taiwan because the UN does not officially recognize Taiwan, and the WHO is a UN organization. It is as simple as that, got nothing to do with being in China’s pocket. If you don’t like that, pressure your government to recognize Taiwan, and pressure them to pressure UN.

OK, but let's ignore the recognition of Taiwan for a second.

China censoring social media chat about the virus[0], tons of talk among experts that China faked their numbers and dates[1], meanwhile the WHO praises 'Chinese Transparency'[2][3], while hinting that the actions of censorship and moderate reporting were the right idea to avoid widespread panic.[4]

I'm not anti-WHO, but it's getting harder to believe that they are working objectively. China did a lot wrong in regards to response, but the WHO seems to want to heap on the praise. It makes one wonder. The weird non-response and hangup regarding Taiwan was just the topping on the cake, and it was entirely irresponsible on the WHOs part.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/chinese-social...

[1]: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/08/8037667...

[2]: https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/28-01-2020-who-china-le...

[3]: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcr...

[4]: https://apnews.com/16cd6173232a01ec04780db3eea4de79?fbclid=I...

Re: Japan to fund firms to shift production out of China

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Post by mytailorisrich »

surge wrote: post #427
mytailorisrich wrote: post #276

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Can we please stop this? HN sinks to the gutter every time China pops up as a subject and no discussion is possible, as seen from the reaction to my previous comment.

HN isn't sinking into the gutter calling out a government for doing horrifying things, spreading misinformation, suppressing accurate information, all to save face/embarrassment and keep its economy. People here read alternate sources of news, see the videos leaking out on the Internet, they're very savy and know that any reporting that rely on CCP as primary source of info are bird cage liner. The CCP acted in bad f…

You are proving my point with this bigoted response so please no need to bother 'replying' to my comments. Thanks.

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Post by nswest23 »

jennyyang wrote: post #4

At the very least, medical supplies and drugs manufacturing will get pulled back into each country. The 3M spat between Canada and the US makes it abundantly clear that in a time of true crisis, you can't even trust your closest friends when something terrifying happens to the world like this pandemic. Whether it means all manufacturing will move away from China or if it means that they will spread it globally, is an…

Or we could all just prepare for pandemics the way we’re supposed to. Otherwise moving manufacturing will be a band aid at best.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

redis_mlc wrote: post #410
redis_mlc wrote: post #362

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FYI: there was a powerful, contagious flu-like disease circulating already in SE Asia between Dec. 6 and Dec. 15. If anybody in public healthcare seriously wants to know more, contact me and I'll narrow down the dates, symptoms and locations and you can verify if it was corona virus or a different illness.

Fascinating ... the dates Dec. 1, Dec. 6 and Dec. 16 are mentioned in this article, which almost match the flu dates I mentioned above: https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devas... Based on those dates, it's possible Covid-19 was on Chinese airliners as early as Dec. 1 - 8. Wuhan has an international airport that connects to Shanghai (Pudong), which is a major international hub. So that moves the o…

Haven't the Chinese already traced a case back to November? That the earliest case is from November is not exactly news nowadays, is it?

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Post by FooBarWidget »

rorykoehler wrote: post #429
FooBarWidget wrote: post #147

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I didn't claim they are heroes. I explicitly said that bad things do happen. I just want to stress that that doesn't negate the fact that good things also happen, and that all countries have good and bad things. Pointing out bad things is one thing; stereotyping and overly focusing only on the bad things is another. As for Muslim camps: forced reeducation and deradicalization, yes; concentration/killing/genocide: no.…

> "China doesn't like Muslims so they kill them all". You should know that it's the han way or death for the CCP. I don't understand the point of to your posts. Whataboutism is a poor excuse.

The point is to provide a more balanced and fair view of things. Accusations of whataboutism is disingenuous, especially because I didn't even engage in it: I talked about China only. If anything, the parent I replied to is the one that talked about other nations.

And there you go with the "or death" thing. Forced reeducation and detention, yes. But where is the proof that systematic killing is happening? All the proof of the latter I've seen so far come from US government or US-funded sources with poor research methodology (see for example https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nat...).

And what do you say about the fact that a dozen of Muslim nations officially approve of China's conduct in Xinjiang?

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Post by pragmatic »

tomp wrote: post #37
jennyyang wrote: post #4

At the very least, medical supplies and drugs manufacturing will get pulled back into each country. The 3M spat between Canada and the US makes it abundantly clear that in a time of true crisis, you can't even trust your closest friends when something terrifying happens to the world like this pandemic. Whether it means all manufacturing will move away from China or if it means that they will spread it globally, is an…

To be honest, I don't understand what efficiency gains this kind of globalization was supposed to bring anyways... A factory in China is just as efficient as a factory in Spain or USA. Obviously, cheaper workers work for less, but that's not exactly efficiency , (1) more a question of fairness, (2) can be done domestically (low-cost immigrant workers) and (3) there's plenty of cheap workers worldwide, not just in Chi…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

Re: Japan to fund firms to shift production out of China

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Post by chillacy »

brandonmenc wrote: post #412
chillacy wrote: post #222

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> A factory in China is just as efficient as a factory in Spain or USA. I'm not sure how you're defining efficiency, but in the Netflix special American Factory, it would seem like the chinese workers were not only cheaper but also more productive.

> but in the Netflix special American Factory A single, sensationalized data point.

1 > 0, but if you have details on why that is not indicative of reality please share.
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