I was surprised that when I ran a WebEx exe on windows to join a meeting, after the meeting concluded a window appeared with my calendar information pulled from outlook. It really highlights how on desktop apps can do what they like. Whilst on mobile platforms at least you have to grant specific access.
Webex can sync with your corporate calendar. Its possible by signing into Webex, it checked your corporation calendar and synced that. There is also a system with Webex, that is separate, and if you have Webex meetings registered against your email, it will provide you those meetings if you are not signed in.
Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
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Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#122Isn’t all of this because of the Historical webRTC issues in safari?
Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#123I was surprised that when I ran a WebEx exe on windows to join a meeting, after the meeting concluded a window appeared with my calendar information pulled from outlook. It really highlights how on desktop apps can do what they like. Whilst on mobile platforms at least you have to grant specific access.
I always wonder ... "Uh, do you want platform specific desktop apps? You're not much better protected there man... and app availability becomes limited / a pain."
Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's extremely unlikely. Malware on macOS isn't prevalent. There is no market for anti-virus vendors on macOS, and Apple have been repeatedly tightening the approval process for macOS software. Gatekeeper only ever gets more aggressive, not less. Meanwhile videocall software is widespread, it's rapidly become a necessity for a large part of the world's population. I wouldn't be surprised if on macOS it's now in sec…
> 1. Genuine one or two-click install of software from the web, without the App Store being involved and without requiring sandboxing I disagree with this. Why is going via the app store a bad thing? The app store is the solution here. Zoom should be able to tell apple "Hey I'd like to handle zoom://" links, and clicking one will redirect you to either zoom or the app store (without the source of your link knowing wh…
1. Apple have a history of convoluted review processes and arbitrary rejections. It has a terrible reputation amongst devs.
2. Thanks to unpredictable reviews you can't time when a new upgrade becomes available to coincide with e.g. website changes, emails.
3. The App Store can't upgrade apps whilst they're running.
4. App Store 30% standard cut is far too high when a developer could sell direct from their website and pay 2% or less to a card processor.
5. The App Store UX is itself pretty bad. There's no flexibility or ability to customise how your app appears.
6. Devs are forced to allow app reviews and ratings although they may not wish to have that e.g. because users use reviews as a way to request support instead of an actual support system, but you can't reply.
7. App Stores often create problems for corporate or managed desktop deployments.
8. For software that is billed, despite exhorbitant fees their billing engines can be primitive. For instance even years after launch the Windows app store had no ability to do bulk discounts or other kinds of completely normal retail strategies. I don't know if it does these days, but I do know of an app developer who shipped via the WAS and whose business was badly hurt by Microsoft's lackadaisical attitude towards basic features like that. They could have sold big into education but couldn't get much traction because there was no way to offer reduced rates to schools.
9. App Stores enforce random policies unrelated to the core mission of app distribution. For instance the Mac App Store is extremely vague about to what extent plugin mechanisms are allowed. Good luck implementing an IDE or browser in the MAS; you'll always be living in a grey zone. It also forbids any kind of custom licensing mechanism or copy protection, so when Apple's is insufficient you're SOL and requires all languages to be in the same bundle yielding huge downloads (=lower conversion rate due to failed downloads). Those are just implementation limitations but you aren't allowed to do better.
Basically, Apple don't have a good track record of creating an excellent developer experience with their app stores. On mobile they forced devs into it against their will. On desktop where backwards compatibility prevents it, devs have nearly universally rejected app stores ... even when an app is in it, it's common for websites to direct users to their own distribution points.
Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#125Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#126No wonder their uninstallation instructions[1] are hilariously complicated. They somewhat-helpfully point to an actual separate uninstaller package to download, but it doesn't even remove all the things mentioned on this page. 1. https://help.webex.com/en-us/WBX38280/How-Do-I-Uninstall-Web...
Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet Microsoft Office is available via the macOS App Store, alongside venerable packages like Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop, Logic and Final Cut (Apple-owned software), the Omni suite of software, Autodesk software, Pixelmator, etc. The App Store has problems, but all apps there being "loser apps" is not one of them.
You can't pay for Office through the App Store though, you have to activate it with a personal or corporate Office 365 account. If you bought a perpetual license, I believe you have to go get it through Microsoft regardless.
Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#128Everyone who's spent 3 hours talking a parent through downloading and installing a Zoom client understands exactly why they're doing this. Mine are unable to (1) reliably download a zip file; (2) navigate to that file using Finder; (3) run something inside it. By the time we were done -- I use copilot (basically VNC with NAT punching built in) -- and I got control of the laptop to just do it myself, there were 7 down…
This highlights a problem we should have addressed long ago - engineer a method to reliably educate old people about using modern computers so they could develop the same kind of intuitive understanding we have.
Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#129I was surprised that when I ran a WebEx exe on windows to join a meeting, after the meeting concluded a window appeared with my calendar information pulled from outlook. It really highlights how on desktop apps can do what they like. Whilst on mobile platforms at least you have to grant specific access.
I'll admit as a web dev I sometimes take some of the "omg JavaScript" a little personally. Some of the usual pile on articles (granted their complaints aren't technically 'wrong') sometimes imply the browser is a bad place for a lot of things that are happening there privacy wise and etc. I always wonder ... "Uh, do you want platform specific desktop apps? You're not much better protected there man... and app availab…
Re: Tell HN: Cisco WebEx on OS X uses the same pre-installer tricks as Zoom
#130Everyone who's spent 3 hours talking a parent through downloading and installing a Zoom client understands exactly why they're doing this. Mine are unable to (1) reliably download a zip file; (2) navigate to that file using Finder; (3) run something inside it. By the time we were done -- I use copilot (basically VNC with NAT punching built in) -- and I got control of the laptop to just do it myself, there were 7 down…
They need to do the work to get on the Mac App Store