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Re: Zuckerberg’s Jealousy Held Back Instagram and Drove Off Founders

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Post by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 »

burtonator wrote: post #27
jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

I forget what country it was... somewhere in northern Europe. (looks like it might be Bangladesh (see below for link)) They passed legislation that allows a RIVER to have rights and lawyers can sue on its behalf. We need similar legislation for reality. We have about 50% of the country that literally doesn't give a shit about lying. The truth should have rights to sue. Now I KNOW there is a fuzzy ground but there are…

Honest question, what problem would this litigation solve? Can you provide an example where the Truth would litigate?

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Post by dntbnmpls »

Barrin92 wrote: post #12
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #4

The article reads like a bad hit job it tries to paint facebooks position as bleak while ignore all its products have continued to experience amazing growth. It paints a picture of what the author want the world to be like rather than reality. One of the biggest examples is how they view regulation as a risk to Facebook while Facebooks views it as a guarantee of market dominance.

I can't speak to every point raised in the article, but at least the jealousy aspect doesn't seem so off-base if one looks at the recent re-branding of Whatsapp. Whatsapp now has a giant "whatsapp by facebook" advert right on the loading page of the application. There was a quite funny article a while back how it led to school children deleting whatsapp because they thought facebook was "uncool" but didn't even know…

> I'd also caution about "arguments from growth", given that it's totally possible that given better decisions it might have grown even faster.

Anything is possible and that's conjecture. Not news. Argument from proven growth/data/etc is far better than "argument from hypotheticals/what ifs/etc".

> There was a quite funny article a while back how it led to school children deleting whatsapp because they thought facebook was "uncool" but didn't even know it was a product of the company.

Seems like another of these manufactured nonsense from the industry. How many children? How old were they? Care to share the link so we can all have a good laugh?

> It'd be better to address the substance of the article.

So why don't you? You didn't mention anything substantive from the article in your comment. Is it because there is no substance. What objective, factual, relevant information did you take away from an article which is mostly subjective, gossipy and pointless.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

droithomme wrote: post #26
jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

Yes. Bloomberg uses their publication to manipulate the stock market to the advantage of insiders. This is completely obvious based on the huge number of absolute bullshit fabricated stories where they and their anonymous sources are the only starting point.

And they cheerfully admit as much [1]. Who downvoted you, I wonder...

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-reporters-compensa...

Re: Zuckerberg’s Jealousy Held Back Instagram and Drove Off Founders

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Post by rozab »

Barrin92 wrote: post #12
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #4

The article reads like a bad hit job it tries to paint facebooks position as bleak while ignore all its products have continued to experience amazing growth. It paints a picture of what the author want the world to be like rather than reality. One of the biggest examples is how they view regulation as a risk to Facebook while Facebooks views it as a guarantee of market dominance.

I can't speak to every point raised in the article, but at least the jealousy aspect doesn't seem so off-base if one looks at the recent re-branding of Whatsapp. Whatsapp now has a giant "whatsapp by facebook" advert right on the loading page of the application. There was a quite funny article a while back how it led to school children deleting whatsapp because they thought facebook was "uncool" but didn't even know…

Well, have you noticed it uses 'cool' futuristic lettering instead of Facebook's actual logo? They know how uncool they are, they know the Facebook brand doesn't work with WhatsApp.

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Post by [deleted] »

burtonator wrote: post #27
jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

I forget what country it was... somewhere in northern Europe. (looks like it might be Bangladesh (see below for link)) They passed legislation that allows a RIVER to have rights and lawyers can sue on its behalf. We need similar legislation for reality. We have about 50% of the country that literally doesn't give a shit about lying. The truth should have rights to sue. Now I KNOW there is a fuzzy ground but there are…

[deleted]

Re: Zuckerberg’s Jealousy Held Back Instagram and Drove Off Founders

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Post by CamperBob2 »

yumraj wrote: post #21
jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

Gruber can write what he wants, but is there any evidence that Bloomberg's institutional credibility was impacted in anyway. I see tons of articles from Bloomberg being posted on HN, where people care about that issue. Outside of this, no one cared and there are people on both camps as far as that story is concerned.

No one cared because not enough people looked past the initial headline. Gruber is doing a service to everyone, including honest journalists and their publications, by reminding us.

That particular story wasn't quite as fraudulent as Newsweek's exposé of a random retired Japanese-American guy as "Satoshi Nakamoto" a few years back, but it's close.

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Post by idrios »

jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

Additional friendly reminder that Bloomberg sees Facebook as the biggest threat to its existence and is extremely motivated to report negatively about them

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Post by qnt »

idrios wrote: post #37
jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

Additional friendly reminder that Bloomberg sees Facebook as the biggest threat to its existence and is extremely motivated to report negatively about them

How do you reason this?

The overlap of the two businesses is likely counted in single digit percentages of revenue.

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Post by coolandsmartrr »

jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

I'm not sure if the integrity of this article - an excerpt from an upcoming book by another editorial team - was affected by Bloomberg's previous editorial actions.

Re: Zuckerberg’s Jealousy Held Back Instagram and Drove Off Founders

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Post by jonplackett »

yumraj wrote: post #21
jonplackett wrote: post #14

As John Gruber writes after every single link to Bloomberg: * Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October 2018 — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed…

Gruber can write what he wants, but is there any evidence that Bloomberg's institutional credibility was impacted in anyway. I see tons of articles from Bloomberg being posted on HN, where people care about that issue. Outside of this, no one cared and there are people on both camps as far as that story is concerned.

Having 'people in both camps' doesn't mean much. There are people in both camps for literally anything because opinion is cheap.

What matters is not people's opinions but evidence (or lack of it).

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