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New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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I know it can happen to anyone and that every system will eventually go down no matter how many resources are spent or how smart you are. Heck, it might even be financially prudent to not chase those last 9s of uptime. But r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ posting this hours after a huge outage that affected most services for over an hour and also less than 12 days after a similar multi-hour outage seems somewhat ironic. EDIT: gues…

Maybe they were too busy writing the book :)

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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I know it can happen to anyone and that every system will eventually go down no matter how many resources are spent or how smart you are. Heck, it might even be financially prudent to not chase those last 9s of uptime. But r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ posting this hours after a huge outage that affected most services for over an hour and also less than 12 days after a similar multi-hour outage seems somewhat ironic. EDIT: gues…

I guess people didn't like that - "it might even be financially prudent to not chase those last 9s of uptime." It just promotes bad mindset

But. That’s what they say in the book.

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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Hey everyone - Seth from Google here. Thank you for all the positive comments about the book. I'll be around to answer any questions you might have. As noted, the book can be downloaded for free in digital formats.

PDF: https://landing.google.com/sre/static/pdf/SRS.pdf

EPUB: https://landing.google.com/sre/static/pdf/srs-epub.epub

MOBI: https://landing.google.com/sre/static/pdf/srs-mobi.mobi

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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I know it can happen to anyone and that every system will eventually go down no matter how many resources are spent or how smart you are. Heck, it might even be financially prudent to not chase those last 9s of uptime. But r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ posting this hours after a huge outage that affected most services for over an hour and also less than 12 days after a similar multi-hour outage seems somewhat ironic. EDIT: gues…

Upvoted since I was going to make the same comment. I have been dealing with some downfall from that issue today. As a user of their cloud services, my perception of their reliability is pretty low compared to competitors. I still like GCP the best though.

> As a user of their cloud services, my perception of their reliability is pretty low compared to competitors. I still like GCP the best though.

I guess we tend to notice more the flaws of the services we use the most

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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Genuinely curious: What secure and reliable systems has Google built? Nothing really springs to mind.

Android, their most popular end-user product, is a security disaster [1].

Chrome, "the most secure browser in the world", has a huge list of serious vulnerabilities [2].

[1] https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~drt24/papers/spsm-scoring.pdf

[2] https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224...

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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post #2

I know it can happen to anyone and that every system will eventually go down no matter how many resources are spent or how smart you are. Heck, it might even be financially prudent to not chase those last 9s of uptime. But r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ posting this hours after a huge outage that affected most services for over an hour and also less than 12 days after a similar multi-hour outage seems somewhat ironic. EDIT: gues…

Upvoted since I was going to make the same comment. I have been dealing with some downfall from that issue today. As a user of their cloud services, my perception of their reliability is pretty low compared to competitors. I still like GCP the best though.

As a user of GCP I agree. And anyway, bad things happen, a few bad things if handled honestly and transparently do not affect my trust.

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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What does a lizard have to do with SRE?

Great question. As an O'Reilly author myself, I can tell you that we have no control over the animal selected. There's a fun animal selection process, but the publisher's decide.

Disclaimer - I work for Google and worked on this book.

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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Genuinely curious: What secure and reliable systems has Google built? Nothing really springs to mind. Android, their most popular end-user product, is a security disaster [1]. Chrome, "the most secure browser in the world", has a huge list of serious vulnerabilities [2]. [1] https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~drt24/papers/spsm-scoring.pdf [2] https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224...

You believe that Google Accounts, GMail, and GDrive are fundamentally insecure and unreliable? Compared to what?

Re: New Google SRE book: Building Secure and Reliable Systems

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I know it can happen to anyone and that every system will eventually go down no matter how many resources are spent or how smart you are. Heck, it might even be financially prudent to not chase those last 9s of uptime. But r̶e̶l̶e̶a̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ posting this hours after a huge outage that affected most services for over an hour and also less than 12 days after a similar multi-hour outage seems somewhat ironic. EDIT: gues…

> it might even be financially prudent to not chase those last 9s of uptime

That's the basic premise of an "error budget".

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