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Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

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Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

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It's odd to describe Vint Cerf as Google's Chief Internet Evangelist, a largely honorary and emeritus position, as opposed to co-creator of TCP/IP for which is is famous. It makes the headline and framing feel very click-baity. The referenced FTC announcement was titled "Internet Innovator Vinton G. Cerf to Keynote FTC's Internet of Things Workshop".

More people know what Google is than TCP/IP.

And more people know what the internet is than Google.

Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

#42

Is there any way to make personal data usage within companies more transparent and verifiable? Are there known studies/works in this line of thought? In an ideal world, what can we do to make data usage more transparent?

How would you guarantee privacy by requiring transparency? They are opposites.

I had been a staunch advocate of not sharing any personal information wherever possible, but recently I've been thinking whether I've approached the whole privacy issue from a wrong angle. I now believe privacy is the lesser evil we pursue because of lack of trust. The world is full of "evil" corporates that funnel our personal info into black boxes for their private gains. We have no idea what happens to our data once they're collected and fear that they could be used to exploit or even harm us down the road. In this zero-sum environment, our best option to protect ourselves is by not sharing data at all.

Trust is the game changer. We almost take it for granted that increased transparency is inherently good, and we've seen how people's data could be used for good in how countries like S. Korea handled the COVID crisis. Verifiability and transparency are how we achieve trust.

Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

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Maybe there should be three terms acknowledged in the study of privacy: Public Obscure Private For the longest time we have interpreted obscurity as privacy. Such as what your house looks like. Or how many people know of your legal immigration status. There are very few pieces of information that are truly private, like social security number, health records (known only by Healthcare providers), and the actions you d…

I think this starts to get at it, but missed the lopsided situation we're in today.

In the small town he mentions, yes, there's little privacy, but it's constrained to the small town, and largely equal. Everyone knows about everyone.

If someone from outside showed up to ask questions the town would likely protect your privacy, but also let you know someone was asking questions.

Instead today there are corporations (some public, some very secretive) gathering vast amounts of information and it's impossible to know who knows what about you. That information is also much more easily tradable, so it spreads.

For example, in the small town, pre-IT, it was hard to produce consolidated, and deep reporting of who's buying what, beyond the memory of the staff.

Now Target, Amazon, etc can know not just what you're buying, but what you're looking at, and correlate it with information from other sources, and it can be easily correlated with public records, and other information on a scale that's just wasn't ever possible historically.

Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are very few pieces of information that are truly private, like social security number Most countries don't have such a number with such high value.

How do those countries handle taxes, public services, and credit?

Those countries do have a number, but it's not SSN it's a National Identification Number and its usually not considered valuable or secret information.

Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

#47
post #28

It's odd to describe Vint Cerf as Google's Chief Internet Evangelist, a largely honorary and emeritus position, as opposed to co-creator of TCP/IP for which is is famous. It makes the headline and framing feel very click-baity. The referenced FTC announcement was titled "Internet Innovator Vinton G. Cerf to Keynote FTC's Internet of Things Workshop".

How is TCP/IP relevant to his opinions on Privacy?

It's relevant to the reader to understand the impact this man has had on developing the internet as we know it, and realising that he probably knows what he is talking about.

Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> according to a study by CareerBuilder, nearly 70% of employers screen their candidates using social media and what’s more surprising is 57% of employers are less likely to even contact applicants who lack an online presence [0] [0] https://www.lawdepot.com/blog/should-employers-look-at-socia...

"having an online presence" is a much lower bar than "on social media".

Your comment is based on a summary quote, the full text linked in the article makes it perfectly clear:

> 57 percent are less likely to interview a candidate they can't find online

> 54 percent have decided not to hire a candidate based on their social media profiles

> Half of employers check current employees' social media profiles, over a third have reprimanded or fired an employee for inappropriate content

> 70 percent of employers use social media to screen candidates, up from 11 percent in 2006

For more than half of the world's population or 80+% of all internet users "an online presence" means precisely "social media". Nothing else comes even close to that. It's also one of the few segments where people use their real identity. Your anonymous HN account will fly under the radar.

Let's not bury our heads in the sand, employers will check social media so they don't hire anyone who's publicly offensive or extremist, unprofessional, trashes their employer, even someone posting too much or with poor communication skills, etc. From a link in the article I posted above [0].

[0] https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/number-of-employers...

Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

#49
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is an Internet forum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

Which is one kind of medium for socially interacting.

Well, if you insist, sure, but social networks are focused on people while forums are focused on topics (news article etc.). The difference is significant enough that some people may post on various forums all day long but never on Twitter or FB.

Re: Google's Chief Internet Evangelist: 'privacy may be an anomaly' (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are very few pieces of information that are truly private, like social security number Most countries don't have such a number with such high value.

How do those countries handle taxes, public services, and credit?

They have similar IDs, but they are IDs not authentication methods in and of themselves. SSNs are Bearer IDs that the knowing of is proof of identity, which is dumb.
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