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An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

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Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#201
post #18

It sounds like a nice product, but sadly it's not exactly why GA is so popular (being a 'nice' product, that is). It is popular, because it's free, relatively easy to implement on any website, requires no self-hosting and powerful, once running. I've checked your website for pricing, but not only there's no word about free tiers, but there isn't even anything on the pricing at all. So, when it comes to majority of GA…

There's a big blue button at the top of the page that says "Start Free Trial". Click it and you get this: - Quick and easy to set up - No credit card required - Unlimited use during the trial - From just $6/mo after the trial Looks like a flat fee? Hard to tell from that wording. They should make this more visible on the front-page and elaborate on the " from just $6/mo".

Pricing can be seen at https://plausible.io/#pricing

6$ / month for a personal website.

12$ / month for a startup.

36$ / month for a business.

Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#203
post #118

Plausible, Fathom [1] and Simple Analytics [2] are very similar in features. While self hosting is not supported, plausible is Open Source [3] running on Elixir and Postgre. It is also the most affordable out of three, starting at $6 only. I am not sure why HN are so negative about this post, when two years ago everyone were cheering for GA alternatives. Although I do agree it needs to add "Pricing" in the Navigation…

I think everyone is so negative on the post because the post is a sleazy ad in disguise. If it had opened with "these are the reasons that we are unsatisfied with analytics which led us to launch our own alternate service, plausible" or even just "why we made plausible.io" then we would know up front that it's an ad but maybe still a worthwhile read. This hides the fact that they want you to maybe try plausible to the last section and the last bullet of the table of contents. Its nothing about the product and everything about the underhanded advertising.

Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#204
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, unlike many smaller analytics providers, Google Analytics doesn't have glaring CSRF vulnerabilities and doesn't have creepy features that let you spy on individual users (no idea if this applies to Plausible or not).

> "[GA]...doesn't have creepy features that let you spy on individual users" google reserves that for itself so as not to lose it's dominance of online advertising and targeting. why would they share their bread and butter with the little guys?

They made a statement within the last few years that they don't use GA data for their own purposes.

The scarier implication is they don't need GA to understand web trends. They can collect far more data using Chrome, AMP, Android, Ads, and more.

Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#205
As someone who still uses GA for multiple sites, can we actually discuss the claims of the article and not the broad idea of it?

> " > These two tracking scripts combined add 45.7 KB of page weight to each and every page load."

Google makes fantastic products that are available for free (with limits) because they make most of their money from ads. I may not like it, but gmail, Drive, YouTube are all great and I would prefer people who can't pay for such products have the free option.

> "It’s a bloated script that affects your site speed"

As others have said, no? Not with caching? Anyway my websites are probably bloated by all sorts of bigger things, I am no web dev and have had no time to optimize them overmuch, and the still work fine. So guilt tripping me about GA Analytics aint gonna work.

> "It’s overkill for the majority of site owners"

I like having the flexibility ; I seriously doubt this is a good pitch for any growing company or even project.

> "It’s a liability considering GDPR, CCPA and other privacy regulations"

Is it? It's not like Google is not addressing GDPR concerns (https://www.cookiebot.com/en/google-analytics-gdpr/)

> "It uses cookies so you must obtain consent to store cookies"

Okay, finally a good one -- nobody likes the cookie popup, so removing GA analytics would improve user experience. Then again, it's so common that people maybe are used to it?

> "It’s blocked by many plugins and browsers so the data is not very accurate"

'There’s no definite answer on how many people block Google Analytics as that depends on the audience of your site, but for a tech audience, you shouldn’t be surprised to see 50% or more of the visitors blocking Google Analytics.' Really? I kind of doubt it..........

> "It requires an extensive privacy policy"

Any analytics should have privacy disclosure, presumably.

> "It’s abused by referral spam that skews the data"

And other analytics aren't?

> "It’s a proprietary product so you need to put your trust in Google"

Fair, Open Source is preferable.

> "It worsens the user experience due to the necessity for the annoying prompts"

A repeat

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So yeah. Look, I am uncomfortable with big huge giant companies like Google ruling the earth. But I also have quite limited time and money, and already use gmail and Drive. So far Google has not done anything to seriously hurt my trust and I think their products are excellent. Most of these points seem weak to me, as someone already using GA analytics.

Still, for someone building a new website, I could see this being enough to make the point. But, I think it would be far more effective if it was more concise and less easy to point out holes in the arguments.

Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#206
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea if that's true or not regarding Google Analytics, but you can opt out of all data sharing and I imagine Google would be in a lot of trouble if they didn't honour that.

i'm sure there are people at google who want to honor those opt-outs in good faith, and there are those who don't. the massive organizational system itself, nevermind the massive computational systems, acts against doing this thoroughly and auditably. it's also hard to believe that they'd get the data out of every last nook and cranny when they don't even swap out dead hard drives in their datacenters because of time…

I don’t work at Google, but I’ve worked for and with many big corporations and government entities.

The army of lawyers look within too. The problem with big companies is usually that they lobby their way to do things that you don’t like. They are usually very good at working within those parameters.

That’s why you generally don’t see data breaches in places like Google. When you do, they are usually a combination of acute issues (hacking, etc) and incompetence (Equifax). There are overlapping controls and segmentation that make it harder to rogue stuff without oversight.

At a startup or small adtech place, forget it. The controls are not there and the company has nothing to lose.

Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#207
post #143
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea if that's true or not regarding Google Analytics, but you can opt out of all data sharing and I imagine Google would be in a lot of trouble if they didn't honour that.

There is no comprehensive opt out to Google tracking. If you disagree, show me the button that opts out of doubleclick (and all Google subsidiaries and data sharing partners) targeting ads at my home IP address, cell phone, car, etc.

Just add

  0.0.0.0         google-analytics.com
  0.0.0.0         www.google-analytics.com
to your /etc/hosts if you want a comprehensive opt-out.

Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#209
Why dont they just title this "why we made plausible.io?" Make it clear up front that this is content marketing. It would still be a worthwhile read but it wouldn't be nearly as sleazy feeling as disguising an ad as a blog post type thing. I think a lot of people on this forum would enjoy reading about how the founders approached the problem and what they see as the solution, either out of curiosity about new tech being developed or to evaluate the product by reading about what the founders were trying to fix with competing solutions. This just doesnt read as an honest marketing attempt.

Re: An alternative to using Google Analytics on your website

#210
post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://adssettings.google.com/

Opting out of targeted ads is NOT the same as opting out of tracking.

But it's what GP asked for.

I'm also unclear on whether "opting out of tracking" under the definition you're implying is possible. Any entity tracking you needs to track that you've opted out of tracking, which requires tracking you. Whoops.

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