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Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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It's a bit odd how everyone's attacking Zoom when none of the other common solutions have proper e2e encryption either.

The odd thing is that EARN-IT pushers want to ban strong encryption "for the children" but they want to excoriate Zoom over weak encryption "for the children".

It's almost like it was never about the children..

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Don't know what is going on at Zoom, but I suspected at least part of it sneaky. For example, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I heard about this company, and learned that it has R&D in China per its SEC filing at IPO. However, checked its website, the career section led me to https://jobs.lever.co/zoom , and there was ONLY one opening at China per the website (I remember it was a position at marketing department). Then I sear…

It could be they advertise jobs in different regions on different systems, to get the closest reach to the potential hirees.

The R&D centers in China (I think there are 3 of them) are their competitive advantage - this can help them manage cost to be profitable from early on. I also think the engineering teams there can share with their peers of the other local Chinese tech firms. For example, China was literately put in lock down in February, and all of the business and schools went on-line in couple of days - that was a enormous achievement for anyone who participated the scaling infrastructure at the big tech companies in China, and I would not be surprised that the Zoom engineers in Chinese R&D learned couple of lessons from them. Zoom even has a feature that you can choose to "soften" your appearance to look "better" in the video conference, which has been feature of camera/image software popular in Asian market. So I suspect their product team may also have some connections there.

However, Zoom's biggest advantage is also its biggest risk, if they want to be part of the communication infrastructure of any business/government/university/etc in western countries, especially after so many security incidents that happened in the past years.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Don't know what is going on at Zoom, but I suspected at least part of it sneaky. For example, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I heard about this company, and learned that it has R&D in China per its SEC filing at IPO. However, checked its website, the career section led me to https://jobs.lever.co/zoom , and there was ONLY one opening at China per the website (I remember it was a position at marketing department). Then I sear…

Why is having engineers in China cause for suspicion? Lots of tech companies have engineers in China. Eg Microsoft.

What alerted me at that time was the discrepancy between their HR site at U.S of the Chinese opening (only one), and their job postings in Chinese job sites.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Don't know what is going on at Zoom, but I suspected at least part of it sneaky. For example, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I heard about this company, and learned that it has R&D in China per its SEC filing at IPO. However, checked its website, the career section led me to https://jobs.lever.co/zoom , and there was ONLY one opening at China per the website (I remember it was a position at marketing department). Then I sear…

Zoom is fully aware that associating themselves with China considering the latest developments would be catastrophic for them, whether its job listings or some of its servers being in China.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Don't know what is going on at Zoom, but I suspected at least part of it sneaky. For example, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I heard about this company, and learned that it has R&D in China per its SEC filing at IPO. However, checked its website, the career section led me to https://jobs.lever.co/zoom , and there was ONLY one opening at China per the website (I remember it was a position at marketing department). Then I sear…

Why is having engineers in China cause for suspicion? Lots of tech companies have engineers in China. Eg Microsoft.

But if Microsoft has teams in China, Russia work on MS Teams, I will be very concerned. The same goes with Slack, that many companies now rely on to keep business going.

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Am i the only one struggling to use Zoom properly since they introduced the latest security changes? The slack integration (write /zoom to start a meeting) was working ok-ish even though we always had problem with the meeting not starting unless the host of the meeting was logged in (gosh...why so complicated?) Now they added this waiting room, there is no sound notification to let you know that people are waiting. D…

For our daily standup we use meet.google.com as it's more convenient than ZOOM. ymmv ofc

My company has been trying to find a solution since the Coronavirus hit. (We're not used to working from home)

We were using Slack's built-in conferencing at first, but aside from the quality being generally bad, there was a 15 person limit, and we're ~ 17 people.

I didn't want us to use Zoom with everything that's going on, so I suggested Google Meet. We tried it, and it worked, but not well—people's voices would frequently break up and become hard to hear.

And so we tried Zoom this past Monday.

It was incredible. I could actually hear and see everyone. I'm not happy about all their issues, but damn their product is just really good.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing as encryption is illegal in China, I don't think they will need to give up any keys.

>Seeing as encryption is illegal in China Source for this? That would make any https site in china illegal.

Not an expert, but I searched and found this link which seems to explain it well:

https://www.freshfields.com/en-us/our-thinking/campaigns/dig...

tl;dr: encryption is not completely illegal, but it sounds like it's pretty tightly controlled.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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How many of Zoom's recent issues can be explained by just bad engineering? Because my personal gripes with Zoom are mostly about its quality as a software product, which I find to be abysmal for my use cases.

From a purely functional standpoint, that is -- does this software do what I need it to do?, I have had absolutely no problems with zoom.

What issues have come up for you?

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