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Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by UncleMeat »

m4r35n357 wrote: post #46
UncleMeat wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it was clearly botched marketing material rather than a coordinated plan. Hypothetical: somebody asked an engineer what kind of encryption Zoom used, the engineer responded somewhat vaguely and the marketing person heard "we encrypt between endpoints" as "end to end encryption" and then nobody noticed when reviewing the text.

Yeah right, oops

Yes it definitely is an "oops". I'm not excusing it, but offering an alternative explanation to the "zoom is evil" thinking.

If zoom was truly trying to market themselves as e2e, why is this only buried in one document rather than shouted from the hills?

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by cat199 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #40
runawaybottle wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m more shocked that this massive tech industry has like one decent solution to remote video conferencing. Maybe we really have gone too far down the road of making bullshit apps, and stopped solving real problems. Shame on us.

Shame on the telcos who prevent residential customers from using the internet as intended. If everyone was given an IPV6 address block and freedom to accept outside connections from anywhere, none of this would be an issue.

agree on telcos preventing ppl from using internet as intended, but we'd still need good and easy to use videoconferencing software

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by eythian »

jy2947 wrote: post #50

Don't know what is going on at Zoom, but I suspected at least part of it sneaky. For example, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I heard about this company, and learned that it has R&D in China per its SEC filing at IPO. However, checked its website, the career section led me to https://jobs.lever.co/zoom , and there was ONLY one opening at China per the website (I remember it was a position at marketing department). Then I sear…

It could be they advertise jobs in different regions on different systems, to get the closest reach to the potential hirees.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by proverbialbunny »

pastullo wrote: post #28

Am i the only one struggling to use Zoom properly since they introduced the latest security changes? The slack integration (write /zoom to start a meeting) was working ok-ish even though we always had problem with the meeting not starting unless the host of the meeting was logged in (gosh...why so complicated?) Now they added this waiting room, there is no sound notification to let you know that people are waiting. D…

For our daily standup we use meet.google.com as it's more convenient than ZOOM. ymmv ofc

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by encoderer »

detaro wrote: post #17
encoderer wrote: post #5

Blows my mind that a shareholder might have a cause of action for this. 1) Buy volatile stock with recent IPO 2) Sue them for their volatility 3) ?????

Shareholders can sue you for pretty much anything you do that damages your value that you didn't warn them about. I.e. they put in their IPO prospectus that there might be a negative impact on their reputation from them having Chinese R&D, so they have a defense against that. They didn't put "We have misleading marketing materials that might become subject to widespread public attention" in there I think.

That doesn’t mean it’s a sound policy.

Public markets bid up a stock to an insane valuation in a matter of weeks and then the price comes down (due to technicals, fundamentals, whatever) and you have shareholders trying to weasel out of their gambling losses by suing company.

Let a customer who was actually harmed by this sue. Much more compelling to me.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by sgc »

est wrote: post #26
stevenprentice wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Webex has optional e2e encryption, but naturally you lose some features such as network based recording. https://help.webex.com/en-us/WBX44739/What-Does-End-to-End-E...

Does e2e work with multi-party? The picture only showing host/client, the host is the server or conference host?

It seems like it would work if there was an unencrypted metadata stream with it, indicating boolean talking or not, etc.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by yibg »

jy2947 wrote: post #50

Don't know what is going on at Zoom, but I suspected at least part of it sneaky. For example, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I heard about this company, and learned that it has R&D in China per its SEC filing at IPO. However, checked its website, the career section led me to https://jobs.lever.co/zoom , and there was ONLY one opening at China per the website (I remember it was a position at marketing department). Then I sear…

Why is having engineers in China cause for suspicion? Lots of tech companies have engineers in China. Eg Microsoft.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by bdowling »

tmpynews wrote: post #3

Will be interesting if Zoom is compelled to disclose their security architecture. On the same page can they be forced, in court, to make a statement on the interference by the Chinese government?

If the lawsuit gets past the pleadings stage, then relevant information would be subject to discovery. So the plaintiffs would be able to get and use that info in court, but Zoom would probably ask the judge for a protective order so that it doesn’t become public.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by nogabebop23 »

jy2947 wrote: post #50

Don't know what is going on at Zoom, but I suspected at least part of it sneaky. For example, about 3 or 4 weeks ago I heard about this company, and learned that it has R&D in China per its SEC filing at IPO. However, checked its website, the career section led me to https://jobs.lever.co/zoom , and there was ONLY one opening at China per the website (I remember it was a position at marketing department). Then I sear…

Is it the same company? We have "employees" around the world, but that ranges from employed by the mother ship, employed by one of the various subsidiaries (all with very similar sounding names) or not officially employed but via a local agent (for both liability, regulatory and in certain regimes, mandated).

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by TheAdamist »

judge2020 wrote: post #7

Note that the lawsuit is a class action for shareholders of Zoom stock. Filing: https://i.judge.sh/natural/Babs/1-main.pdf

Presumably the zoom user agreements include arbitration clauses, etc that prevent users from filing class actions or lawsuits.

It's a get out of jail free card they'd be dumb not to have included.

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