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Re: Show HN: FalsiScan – Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by Xelbair »

pcr0 wrote: post #30
mikehollinger wrote: post #9

Mac’s pdf viewer Preview has a signature capture feature built in that’s pretty slick. I use it all the time and haven’t encountered an objection. Tbh I’d wonder why you need to fuzz up and fake scan the image. If someone’s requiring that the doc be “signed in ink” or some such, more power to you!

Every bank application I've done has required print + sign + scanned, I got refused when I tried sending them PDFs signed in Preview/Acrobat

thankfully over here they have to honor digital signatures, no exceptions.

Re: Show HN: FalsiScan – Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by sjwright »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #6

I don't get the magical power of a signature at all. Everybody can write my name under a document. This project basically allows you to forge your own signature. Is it still legally binding? Do these rules even remember the original intent?

I have great difficulty maintaining a consistent signature, even when having to sign multiple times on the same page at the same time. A mediocre forger could probably do a better job replicating my signature than I can—if they could find a sufficiently median example of it.

Re: Show HN: FalsiScan – Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by ceejayoz »

arkanciscan wrote: post #23

Is anyone aware of an actual court case where the validity of a DocuSign doc was held up?

I doubt there are any that hinge on that.

I strongly suspect there are many thousands of cases in which a contract that was signed via them was simply treated as legitimate by both parties, though.

Re: Show HN: FalsiScan – Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by JorgeGT »

Xelbair wrote: post #31
pcr0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every bank application I've done has required print + sign + scanned, I got refused when I tried sending them PDFs signed in Preview/Acrobat

thankfully over here they have to honor digital signatures, no exceptions.

Yep, and here the government even provides you with a free qualified certificate to sign.

Re: Show HN: FalsiScan – Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by zo1 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #11
shinryuu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, can you forge your own signature? If both parties agree that the document is legally binding it seems a bit unlikely that the document would fall under the forged label. Though I am not a lawyer. It's also worth noting that digital signatures throughout the european union have legal status.

Digital signatures also have legal status in the US. Until society catches up and uses cryptographic primitives provided by a national ID smart card (such that Estonia has) for authorizing intents, this is a satisfactory method to make document execution less painful. This project is already doing the easy part (“place pretty signature picture here”). Depending on your jurisdiction and their tolerance, you could also…

All the more baffling why some countries are moving away from national identification and other digital signing initiatives to prove identity. E.g. the UK that introduced and then subsequently dismantled a national ID card and database (apparently it was a "privacy" issue for the government to have a record of citizens?). Imagine this, a first world country, living in the dark ages essentially when it comes to identity.

Re: Show HN: FalsiScan – Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by cgrand-net »

jonchang wrote: post #13
mikehollinger wrote: post #9

Mac’s pdf viewer Preview has a signature capture feature built in that’s pretty slick. I use it all the time and haven’t encountered an objection. Tbh I’d wonder why you need to fuzz up and fake scan the image. If someone’s requiring that the doc be “signed in ink” or some such, more power to you!

From the link: "For bureaucratic reasons, a colleague of mine had to print, sign, scan and send by email a high number of pages. To save trees, ink, time, and to stick it to the bureaucrats, I wrote this script." So yes, it does seem like there are situations where a "digital" signature is insufficient.

My bank used to reject scans but accept faxes... bureaucratic reasons.
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