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The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by stingraycharles »

2008guy wrote: post #44
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

Actually the “flu bro” crowd has some really good points. For me, it’s impossible to ignore the inconsistency. Imagine tens of thousands of people standing before you before they perish gruesomely. These people who died of preventable things other than covid 19, are ignored by society — nobody cares. You aren’t considered a murderer for going to work with the flu (but you technically are) and you aren’t considered ir…

All the other, regular preventable things don’t grow exponentially and as rapid as COVID-19 does.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by frozenport »

2008guy wrote: post #44
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

Actually the “flu bro” crowd has some really good points. For me, it’s impossible to ignore the inconsistency. Imagine tens of thousands of people standing before you before they perish gruesomely. These people who died of preventable things other than covid 19, are ignored by society — nobody cares. You aren’t considered a murderer for going to work with the flu (but you technically are) and you aren’t considered ir…

Its the leading cause of death despite the preventive measures. If we didn't take them, it would suck a lot more.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by roenxi »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

In a sense they might be rational; anyone under 50 has a 95% of being out of action for a week or two then getting back up unaided. That is much less punishing for them than the lockdown unless they are the unlucky 1 in 20. Not prudent, but about the same level of risk assessment people use when talking on mobiles while driving.

One of the major issues is the Boomers are hitting that delicate age where things start to kill them instead of being shrugged off. Trying to protect the 50-70 cohort is the real dance here.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by mc32 »

pjc50 wrote: post #48
mc32 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be helpful if they broke the stats down to Covid deaths in healthy people and Covid-related with comorbidity deaths.

I don't think such a distinction can usefully be made? And we don't do it for other things. "Road traffic accident with diabetes"?

It could help develop a strategy and protocol for opening the economy if it mostly of greatly affects people with identifiable preëxisting conditions.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by cowmoo728 »

2008guy wrote: post #44
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

Actually the “flu bro” crowd has some really good points. For me, it’s impossible to ignore the inconsistency. Imagine tens of thousands of people standing before you before they perish gruesomely. These people who died of preventable things other than covid 19, are ignored by society — nobody cares. You aren’t considered a murderer for going to work with the flu (but you technically are) and you aren’t considered ir…

This appeared to cross some threshold where it really scared people. Personally, the flu scared me. Motor vehicle deaths and hospital acquired infections also terrified me. Those were already above my personal threshold where I thought the risk was pretty bad. I would already maintain a wide berth around anyone coughing or visibly sick.

There's also some paranoia because this is new, and because of the fear of asymptomatic carriers. That makes people think they're helpless and have no way of protecting themselves. A loss of control is an important factor in creating terror.

That being said, this virus does truly appear worse. Wherever that fear threshold is for people, this virus has crossed it.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by andruby »

coldcode wrote: post #9

At least the Covid-19 deaths have a limit, whereas many of the others will remain constant for a much longer time. The sadness of this disease is for many countries it did not need to be so bad. I wonder if we as a country (US) will learn anything from this.

What is the limit for Covid-19 deaths? We don't know yet if we'll get a working vaccine or if immunity from antibodies lasts long enough. What we have at the moment are educated guesses. If Covid-19 becomes endemic, it could be a death cause that is always present like influenza.

This might be a bit morbid, but every death cause has a limit, the whole population..

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by arel »

2008guy wrote: post #44
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

Actually the “flu bro” crowd has some really good points. For me, it’s impossible to ignore the inconsistency. Imagine tens of thousands of people standing before you before they perish gruesomely. These people who died of preventable things other than covid 19, are ignored by society — nobody cares. You aren’t considered a murderer for going to work with the flu (but you technically are) and you aren’t considered ir…

Hysteria?

What negates this thinking is hard mathematics ie that all the other things don't kill at a _geometric_ rate. If left unchecked millions of people will die in a short amount of time.

Yes flu also progress similarly but we have vaccines for the flu and we manage it seasonally. Even considering the CFR for covid-19 will drop substantially it is still killing by OOM more people across all age brackets without co-morbidities (not to mention medics) which the flu doesn't do.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by FriendlyNormie »

panpanna wrote: post #39
FriendlyNormie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This belongs on r/conspiracy not HN. Also, I am surprised about the hatred Bill Gates is receiving (despite spending billions of his own money on fighting Corona and other diseases). Could someone please explain why?

As you’d know if you actually read those people’s comments, they believe he had a role in intentionally releasing the virus as a pretext to force his id2020.org human cattle marking system onto the world, among other incentives.

Don’t stop there, let’s see your responses to the other points I raised in my previous comment.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by 2008guy »

stingraycharles wrote: post #51
2008guy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the “flu bro” crowd has some really good points. For me, it’s impossible to ignore the inconsistency. Imagine tens of thousands of people standing before you before they perish gruesomely. These people who died of preventable things other than covid 19, are ignored by society — nobody cares. You aren’t considered a murderer for going to work with the flu (but you technically are) and you aren’t considered ir…

All the other, regular preventable things don’t grow exponentially and as rapid as COVID-19 does.

I’m talking about the death toll at the end of the day, not the current death toll. I’m talking about the likely maximum number to ever be infected (roughly herd immunity number) multiplied by the percentage of people that the virus kills. I understand exponential growth. People who have their own opinions are not necessarily suffering from a lack of math knowledge.
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