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Re: You won't find FSF on Facebook

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Post by _ouxp »

ryanto wrote: post #4

This article is a joke, it's something I would expect to find on some tech/news gossip website. Is this what FSF has become? > so many sites — including TIME — use Facebook's user-tracking "Like" button, Zuckerberg is able to collect information about people who aren't even users of his site. These are precedents which hurt our ability to freely connect with each other. He has created a network that is first and fore…

Facebook could (and probably does) collect the data necessary to track people around the web, whether or not they click on 'like buttons'.

Whether other sites, like Google, can do this too, is immaterial. When people are logged into Facebook, an ever increasing slice of their browsing history can be logged and tied to their real identity. Almost none of the people I know who aren't hackers have any awareness of this.

Re: You won't find FSF on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

protomyth wrote: post #8
r00fus wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm making a guess that FSF (and EFF) would probably have preferred the most influential person to win, namely Julian Assange.

You gotta wonder though, how many people are touched each day by the work of Zuckerberg versus the work of Assange.

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Re: You won't find FSF on Facebook

#14

Post by kprobst »

_ouxp wrote: post #11
ryanto wrote: post #4

This article is a joke, it's something I would expect to find on some tech/news gossip website. Is this what FSF has become? > so many sites — including TIME — use Facebook's user-tracking "Like" button, Zuckerberg is able to collect information about people who aren't even users of his site. These are precedents which hurt our ability to freely connect with each other. He has created a network that is first and fore…

Facebook could (and probably does) collect the data necessary to track people around the web, whether or not they click on 'like buttons'. Whether other sites, like Google, can do this too, is immaterial. When people are logged into Facebook, an ever increasing slice of their browsing history can be logged and tied to their real identity. Almost none of the people I know who aren't hackers have any awareness of this.

> Whether other sites, like Google, can do this too, is immaterial.

It's material if the FSF isn't putting up a "Google is evil" page on their website and handing out "Don't google me, bro" buttons, like they are doing with Facebook.

The FSF seems to think it's better to attack Facebook with ideological ad corporatio arguments, rather than concentrate their resources on educating people about how to their services intelligently. Facebook isn't sharing anything about me that I don't want them to know. And I understand that if I'm not paying for it, I'm the product. So I don't give them my address or my phone number or my cat's nickname. And that's what I tell every friend and family member on Facebook. I don't tell them that Zuckerberg is "evil". The FSF has tried that before with other companies and you'd think they would have figured out by now that it simply doesn't work.

Re: You won't find FSF on Facebook

#16

Post by Natsu »

ryanto wrote: post #4

This article is a joke, it's something I would expect to find on some tech/news gossip website. Is this what FSF has become? > so many sites — including TIME — use Facebook's user-tracking "Like" button, Zuckerberg is able to collect information about people who aren't even users of his site. These are precedents which hurt our ability to freely connect with each other. He has created a network that is first and fore…

> Comeon, examples/proof please.

You haven't been paying attention, have you?

http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/22/facebook-blocks-lamebook/

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=31987371885&topic=...

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/84319/20101122/facebook-priv...

Re: You won't find FSF on Facebook

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Post by Natsu »

kprobst wrote: post #14
_ouxp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook could (and probably does) collect the data necessary to track people around the web, whether or not they click on 'like buttons'. Whether other sites, like Google, can do this too, is immaterial. When people are logged into Facebook, an ever increasing slice of their browsing history can be logged and tied to their real identity. Almost none of the people I know who aren't hackers have any awareness of this.

> Whether other sites, like Google, can do this too, is immaterial. It's material if the FSF isn't putting up a "Google is evil" page on their website and handing out "Don't google me, bro" buttons, like they are doing with Facebook. The FSF seems to think it's better to attack Facebook with ideological ad corporatio arguments, rather than concentrate their resources on educating people about how to their services in…

Google isn't trying to grab all that data. And Google has worked with them to protect private data, including measures like shortening the time it takes them to anonymize the data they've collected.

Facebook, meanwhile, is working to sell your entire social graph to advertisers for profit. If they're being singled out, it's because they're the worst of the lot.

Re: You won't find FSF on Facebook

#19

Post by Natsu »

protomyth wrote: post #8
r00fus wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm making a guess that FSF (and EFF) would probably have preferred the most influential person to win, namely Julian Assange.

You gotta wonder though, how many people are touched each day by the work of Zuckerberg versus the work of Assange.

Very true.

http://wikileaks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/13/wikileak...

Re: You won't find FSF on Facebook

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Post by smcl »

"Because so many sites — including TIME — use Facebook's user-tracking "Like" button, Zuckerberg is able to collect information about people who aren't even users of his site"

I thought you had to have a facebook account to "like" something, either on facebook itself or sites with the FB "like" link. Anyone know otherwise?

edit: Just logged out of FB, opened a random Time article (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2049569,00.htm...) and clicked "like" - and was asked to login to FB. Hmm

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