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We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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So anyone who wants the federal government to take over direct action on the coronavirus situation should think twice about having a federal police force running things.

It's like nothing at all was learned from the War on Terror

Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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So cops shut down a well-intentioned but ultimately needless parade during days of chaos and confusion about what are allowed and what aren't, and we're living in a police state because of that. Sheesh. Has the author seen an actual police state?

As long as Americans see the police force as an evil to be starved, instead of a social necessity to be filled with capable people with proper training, the police will never get the funding or oversight needed for improvement. The cycle continues.

Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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So anyone who wants the federal government to take over direct action on the coronavirus situation should think twice about having a federal police force running things.

It's like nothing at all was learned from the War on Terror

Are there more than a few policians that did learn from it?

Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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So cops shut down a well-intentioned but ultimately needless parade during days of chaos and confusion about what are allowed and what aren't, and we're living in a police state because of that. Sheesh. Has the author seen an actual police state? As long as Americans see the police force as an evil to be starved, instead of a social necessity to be filled with capable people with proper training, the police will neve…

What if the police were wrong here though?

What if it violated our right to assembly?

Even if it was a needless it's a massive abuse of power and a constitutional violation.

Virus or not civil liberties still exist as provided by the Constitution.

Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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So cops shut down a well-intentioned but ultimately needless parade during days of chaos and confusion about what are allowed and what aren't, and we're living in a police state because of that. Sheesh. Has the author seen an actual police state? As long as Americans see the police force as an evil to be starved, instead of a social necessity to be filled with capable people with proper training, the police will neve…

What if the police were wrong here though? What if it violated our right to assembly? Even if it was a needless it's a massive abuse of power and a constitutional violation. Virus or not civil liberties still exist as provided by the Constitution.

> What if the police were wrong here though?

If the police is to do their job, they will be wrong sometimes. The only way to make sure that they're never wrong is to keep them from doing anything. Americans should stop acting like a pointy-haired boss running over sysadmins. It's getting ridiculous.

Also, if you want to protest police brutality there are legitimate cases all around the country. You don't need to sell made-up outrage.

Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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So cops shut down a well-intentioned but ultimately needless parade during days of chaos and confusion about what are allowed and what aren't, and we're living in a police state because of that. Sheesh. Has the author seen an actual police state? As long as Americans see the police force as an evil to be starved, instead of a social necessity to be filled with capable people with proper training, the police will neve…

> Has the author seen an actual police state?

Have you? It usually starts with people excusing and defending police state behavior. And usually happens during "days of chaos and confusion".

> As long as Americans see the police force as an evil to be starved

We see the police, like government/etc, as necessary evils.

> instead of a social necessity to be filled with capable people with proper training, the police will never get the funding or oversight needed for improvement.

What? Police are already well funded. Some police department are funded better than armies.

> The cycle continues.

Hopefully as it is the only way to maintain a free and civil society. The state naturally tends toward tyranny and a free people naturally tend toward anarchy. If the "cycle" doesn't exist, it means we are living in a tyranny or anarchy.

Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the police were wrong here though? What if it violated our right to assembly? Even if it was a needless it's a massive abuse of power and a constitutional violation. Virus or not civil liberties still exist as provided by the Constitution.

> What if the police were wrong here though? If the police is to do their job, they will be wrong sometimes. The only way to make sure that they're never wrong is to keep them from doing anything. Americans should stop acting like a pointy-haired boss running over sysadmins. It's getting ridiculous. Also, if you want to protest police brutality there are legitimate cases all around the country. You don't need to sell…

> Americans should stop acting like a pointy-haired boss running over sysadmins. It's getting ridiculous.

If you aren't american, why do you care?

> Also, if you want to protest police brutality there are legitimate cases all around the country.

Police state isn't about brutality. It's about control. Like where you can go, when you can go, how you should exist. It's pretty much a state of mind. Where the population, out of fear, will accept any restrictions without pushback.

> You don't need to sell made-up outrage.

Physical restriction isn't "made-up" outrage. A single case of police brutality is horrible but not the end of the world. Police state is systematic. Also, people can be upset at both. Not sure what your angle is here.

It's strange how you relentless defend authority and cavalierly dismiss the issues of police state.

Re: We Have Become a Police State, and None of Us Should Be Okay with That

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I don’t expect it’s the activities themselves being likely to spread covid or not that is the issue here. By driving people are taking the risk of a fender bender or other situation like running out of gas where you may require help in the form of contact with others. It’s risk aversion. Not sure I agree with the shutdown but I get it.
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