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Yale Students Demand Automatic 'Pass' Due to Covid-19

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Re: Yale Students Demand Automatic 'Pass' Due to Covid-19

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In contrast and great irony, my local community college has announced that they will go online and expect full completion as usual - and the students have accepted it, because of course the academic culture at a white label school for tradesmen and transfer students would be more rigorous, serious and refined than the one at a national pride.

I would have issue with this if I was using loans to finance that semester.

I am not getting what I paid for initially, and I owe a debt that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy.

Do the students get a partial refund since they are no longer paying for the facilities?

Re: Yale Students Demand Automatic 'Pass' Due to Covid-19

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post #13

Hard to know what's right, under the circumstances. At the same time, it seems like their degrees should have an asterisk, to be fair to full graduates.

I'm not sure an asterisk really tells anyone about the critical thing....do they know this stuff? Can they do the job?

The asterisk makes them suspect, deserved or otherwise, but it is a tarnish.

That is the problem.

Re: Yale Students Demand Automatic 'Pass' Due to Covid-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Not to mention, any decent hiring manager that knows of this event, if it does occur, would be more suspect of any graduate of Yale (if they attended during the academic period in question) versus an equivalent Ivy. As the article mentioned, campus is the great equalizer for students of different backgrounds, so give each student a check for the full retail cost of a semester’s tuition and expenses, paid fro…

>if it does occur, would be more suspect of any graduate of Yale versus an equivalent Ivy Would they? Because this one thing might have happened one semester they would decide that individual is less qualified?

Yes.

You think there will be alot of folks to choose from?

Re: Yale Students Demand Automatic 'Pass' Due to Covid-19

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Good luck passing Calculus II if you were given a passing grade in Calculus I without actually learning the material. There are plenty of other courses that will run into the same problem if their prereqs aren't actually mastered.

My little brother is currently attending RIT and what they did is allow anyone to take any course Pass-Fail. It's not an automatic pass, but it does mean it won't screw over your GPA if events have impacted your ability to perform.

MIT made all classes this semester effectively pass/fail. Makes sense to me. It has been wrenching, with different impact depending on each student's situation.

Re: Yale Students Demand Automatic 'Pass' Due to Covid-19

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Good luck passing Calculus II if you were given a passing grade in Calculus I without actually learning the material. There are plenty of other courses that will run into the same problem if their prereqs aren't actually mastered.

I don't see it being a major issue for a single semester. If they were meant to fail Calc 1 and instead move to Calc 2, that's on them to learn the old material or they will fail.

They'll be forced to relearn the material or continuously fail.

Re: Yale Students Demand Automatic 'Pass' Due to Covid-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Education is not about passing the exams, it's about learning things. Although, I do get the rationale for wanting a free pass. Cynically speaking... An authentic Yale diploma must be worth a lot.

If education is about learning things (and not exams), then it follows the grade doesn’t matter. If a student feels confident they will have learned enough Calc I to take Calc II for the fall semester, then why not let them?

> If a student feels confident they will have learned enough Calc I to take Calc II for the fall semester, then why not let them?

Limited seats and the Dunning-Krueger effect [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

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