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Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by megablast »

epicureanideal wrote: post #63
docbrown wrote: post #35

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> I was hoping everyone in the US might be able to buy one. This burst of PPE being produced in mass quantities are and were never meant to go in the hands of the general public (i.e., non healthcare workers), though. The general public does not need to be walking around with a full face shield, that’ll be a waste of materials, time and money, unfortunately.

Given that they probably would cost $1 to $5, and take almost no space to store, it wouldn't be a terrible thing for people to have a few if they want them. How many people have a $20 multi-tool that stays in a drawer somewhere? Or some bags of rice "just in case" that end up getting thrown in the trash after being forgotten about in the cabinet for 5 years? It may not be a terrible thing if some percentage of people…

It is incredible how selfish people are. The frontline workers are desperate for any kind of PPE, but we still have random people, who are mostly staying at home, that want to get in the front of the line.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by nicbou »

frogpelt wrote: post #265
epicureanideal wrote: post #219

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"Everybody stocking a "handful" of PPE isn't a scalable solution to maintain a national supply." No, but there's no harm in it either, and some potential benefit in case it takes a few days for the federal government to organize a response. We all assume the government is going to make sure the food supply is maintained, but everyone is also buying some extra food just in case there's a temporary gap. We don't need t…

"We all assume the government is going to make sure the food supply is maintained" Do you assume this? I assume that capitalism is keeping the food supply maintained. When that fails, I think we're up the creek.

The government already has its hand in the food supply with all the farming subsidies it hands out. It can either change the subsidies to match the situation, or get heavily involved into the resource allocation as it has done in wartime.

As a good example, European agriculture is currently threatened because there are no foreign workers in the fields. The German government responded by better connecting unemployed workers to local farms, and by changing the rules to allow some foreign workers to come in.

That's just a hint of what governments are capable of. It pales in comparison to a war economy.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by arized »

cheez wrote: post #250
arized wrote: post #242

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> manufacturing in the US and China Mixed feelings about this. What happened to the reports that Apple suppliers were essentially using slave labour to build their products in China? I didn't see any response at all from them - do they care? https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-forced-uighur-labor-ip...

I'd be more concerned about Chinese suppliers who have privately said they would supply faulty equipment related to corona virus to the US.

Really? I would consider unchallenged, systemic slavery to be a fairly important problem. Not something to be dismissed as less concerning than another critical issue. I am just surprised by the complete lack of news.

How many people do we think would choose not to buy a smartphone made in China this year, if they knew the supply chain used slavery. Sadly, I don't think people care - as long as they get the latest iPhone... (maybe why I am being downvoted?)

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by mc32 »

woofie11 wrote: post #20
gowld wrote: post #6

Context: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/5/21209270/apple-face-shield... “Our first shipment was delivered to Kaiser hospital facilities in the Santa Clara Valley this past week, and the feedback from doctors was very positive,” Cook says. “These pack flat, one hundred per box. Each shield is assembled in less than two minutes and is fully adjustable. We’re sourcing materials and manufacturing in the US and China.” A…

I was hoping everyone in the US might be able to buy one. Ideally, they'd be cheap enough for municipalities to buy and distribute.

Protective Goggles (like the 3M type) would be a better fit for most use cases. No need for touching or readjusting, having to be careful when looking down, etc.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by megablast »

nsxwolf wrote: post #55
ForHackernews wrote: post #26

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Why? Most ordinary non-healthcare-worker people have no need for this level of PPE, especially if they're following social distances rules like they should be.

I can't control what other people do in grocery stores. They walk too close and there's nothing I can do about it. I'd like something to keep shit out of my eyes.

> They walk too close and there's nothing I can do about it.

Are you stuck in place? Can you not move? Do you have no voice?

There is a lot you can do, and other do about it.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by mbreese »

djrogers wrote: post #92
lostlogin wrote: post #69

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Seeing people touching their masks continually while wearing gloves and using a phone is depressing.

Touching one's mask is infinitely better than the alternative of touching one's face, and in the case of a non-symptomatic individual wearing a mask to reduce outbound infectious particles has no bearing at all. The whole 'masks are too hard to use' thing was a horror perpetrated by gov't officials afraid of private individuals hoarding masks.

> Touching one's mask is infinitely better than the alternative of touching one's face

That depends entirely on if there is a viral build up on the outside of the mask.

Discouraging people from using N95 masks was specifically to avoid the private hoarding of masks.

But discouraging use of other masks (and N95) by the public is because they do not protect you if they are used wrong. When any air passed around a mask, then you are at risk. Using them right requires proper equipment, sizing, testing, etc... And getting people properly fit, etc was not something that was remotely practical for the general public. That's not to mention the materials used... properly protecting masks have to be made of high-quality and consistent fibers.

The current recommendations for wearing masks is not to protect the wearer of the mask. It is to protect other people. If you take it as a given that there is widespread asymptomatic cases of the virus, then you don't know if you have it or not. So wearing a mask is to protect other people from you. If you are wearing a mask, any virus that you happen to shed will be trapped as you exhale, or at least not be able to travel very far.

Unfortunately, any help that wearing a mask would offer to the wearer is often countered by the false sense of security that they bring. There are many people in masks that think they are protected so they can ignore keeping their distance from others. This is 100% wrong.

The best way to avoid germs from other people is to distance yourself from other people.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by [deleted] »

uxp wrote: post #251
epicureanideal wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Everybody stocking a "handful" of PPE isn't a scalable solution to maintain a national supply." No, but there's no harm in it either, and some potential benefit in case it takes a few days for the federal government to organize a response. We all assume the government is going to make sure the food supply is maintained, but everyone is also buying some extra food just in case there's a temporary gap. We don't need t…

For what, though? And I'm 100% being honest here, what is the specific situation you are envisioning that requires a face shield in your home? In a medical setting, shields are typically used in conjunction with eye goggles and respirators when performing procedures that have a tendency to cause or be around splashing body fluids. Outside of someone sneezing or spitting on you directly, I can't think of an analogous…

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Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by dugditches »

blhack wrote: post #340
ogre_codes wrote: post #311

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The kind of 3d printing Prusa does (and provided plans for) is a tabletop/ amateur printer, not something which can scale.

The 3D model absolutely can scale.

Sure.

But for an equal amount of effort, raws and manpower you could get much more out of traditional manufacturing, much quicker.

The product is a very simple stamp, with very simple dies with little wasted material. Perfect for traditional production methods.

It's great people with machines are contributing to the effort, and empowering/informing individuals to be able to do so as well. But it's just done simpler traditionally.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by blhack »

dugditches wrote: post #359
blhack wrote: post #340

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The 3D model absolutely can scale.

Sure. But for an equal amount of effort, raws and manpower you could get much more out of traditional manufacturing, much quicker. The product is a very simple stamp, with very simple dies with little wasted material. Perfect for traditional production methods. It's great people with machines are contributing to the effort, and empowering/informing individuals to be able to do so as well. But it's just done simpler t…

This is all great in theory, but in reality there are hundreds of thousands of these parts being delivered to hospitals right now, and they came from lots of people with lots of 3D printers at their houses, hackerspaces, and printer farms.

We can definitely talk about what would have been better and more efficient, but in the meantime people need this stuff today.

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