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Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by zbrozek »

uxp wrote: post #153
epicureanideal wrote: post #63

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Given that they probably would cost $1 to $5, and take almost no space to store, it wouldn't be a terrible thing for people to have a few if they want them. How many people have a $20 multi-tool that stays in a drawer somewhere? Or some bags of rice "just in case" that end up getting thrown in the trash after being forgotten about in the cabinet for 5 years? It may not be a terrible thing if some percentage of people…

It's not about the money. PPE like face shields are specifically used during procedures that involve significant bodily fluid, like intubation, which is the process of pulling or pushing a tube down a patient's esophagus. Going to to the grocery store does not require a shield. Secondly disposable medical equipment, when used properly within a healthcare environment, is extremely wasteful. For most consumable items u…

Stanford hospital, for example, throws away one N95 per patient doctor visit. They are not sterilizing and reusing. So my friend who works there is using many dozens of them per day. It seems like they could come up with material-preserving procedures like sterilization, but they're not.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by leipert »

tlrobinson wrote: post #163

Are face shields actually the best we can/should do? Most of the photos of doctors in Wuhan I saw had them wearing goggles: https://www.google.com/search?q=wuhan+doctors&tbm=isch

Faceshields are easier to mass produce I assume. Goggles are hard to come by.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by justwalt »

pvg wrote: post #155
rabuse wrote: post #135

Off-topic, but on the subject of Apple. FaceID is a nightmare to work with, while wearing a mask. The numeric input delay, after trying to open your phone for the 100th time, gets old.

Turn the autolock off when you go outside, keep the phone unlocked. You can turn it back on when you're done, it's a single prefs switch. And change your lock screen image to 'REMAIN INDOORS'.

And what, replace my lock screen image that says ‘BREATHE AIR’?

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by andy_ppp »

wlesieutre wrote: post #151
andy_ppp wrote: post #133

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I actually quite like the butterfly keyboard and have never had a problem with it. I’m using a MacBook 16 inch keyboard and I’m finding I am extremely used to the butterfly style keyboard.

The 16 inch switched back to a scissor mechanism. I do like the butterfly keys though, it’s only the reliability issues that make them problematic for me. Until keys started being flaky I was perfectly happy with it.

Ah sorry my comment is ambiguous; I’m saying I 100% prefer butterfly keys over the new 16 inch keyboard. I’m sure I’ll get used to it though.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by smsx »

wlesieutre wrote: post #151
andy_ppp wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually quite like the butterfly keyboard and have never had a problem with it. I’m using a MacBook 16 inch keyboard and I’m finding I am extremely used to the butterfly style keyboard.

The 16 inch switched back to a scissor mechanism. I do like the butterfly keys though, it’s only the reliability issues that make them problematic for me. Until keys started being flaky I was perfectly happy with it.

I believe he's contrasting his current 16" experience vs the older butterfly switches.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by alexbanks »

cameldrv wrote: post #169
docbrown wrote: post #35

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> I was hoping everyone in the US might be able to buy one. This burst of PPE being produced in mass quantities are and were never meant to go in the hands of the general public (i.e., non healthcare workers), though. The general public does not need to be walking around with a full face shield, that’ll be a waste of materials, time and money, unfortunately.

Over 1000 people in America are dying every day of this disease. This thing costs probably $2 and likely provides significant protection. About 100 people in America die per day from motor vehicle accidents. Next I suppose you're going to tell me that the extra $50 it costs to install a seatbelt in my car is a waste of materials, time, and money too, right?

I think it's more that these would be a pretty involved overstep for regular people to be walking around in. Social distancing + hand washing + a homemade cloth mask is sufficient for regular people. For the same reasons that regular people don't need/shouldn't be wearing N95 masks everywhere, nor should these.

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Post by mike_d »

cameldrv wrote: post #169
docbrown wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was hoping everyone in the US might be able to buy one. This burst of PPE being produced in mass quantities are and were never meant to go in the hands of the general public (i.e., non healthcare workers), though. The general public does not need to be walking around with a full face shield, that’ll be a waste of materials, time and money, unfortunately.

Over 1000 people in America are dying every day of this disease. This thing costs probably $2 and likely provides significant protection. About 100 people in America die per day from motor vehicle accidents. Next I suppose you're going to tell me that the extra $50 it costs to install a seatbelt in my car is a waste of materials, time, and money too, right?

These face shields are intended as an alternative to eye protection that is in short supply. They do nothing for respiratory protection. Infection via the eyes is primarily a concern for people interacting closely with contagious patients (i.e. healthcare workers).

To answer your seemingly underlying question: no, if Apple gave you a face shield it doesn't mean you get to go outside.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by alexbanks »

tiredwired wrote: post #84
docbrown wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was hoping everyone in the US might be able to buy one. This burst of PPE being produced in mass quantities are and were never meant to go in the hands of the general public (i.e., non healthcare workers), though. The general public does not need to be walking around with a full face shield, that’ll be a waste of materials, time and money, unfortunately.

Lots of medical people telling general public they do not need PPE and then they wonder why the hospitals are full of sick people. edit: go ahead and downvote you losers. nobody cares.

Hospitals are full of sick people because they didn't listen to all the other advice, like social distancing + handwashing + this isn't a vacation.
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