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Post by Loughla »

bragh wrote: post #111
Avamander wrote: post #93

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It is a bit sad that so many people miss or forget these important lessons in HS chemistry :P

Wasn't even told that about those things in HS chemistry in my time in my country, not sure why - considered too dangerous knowledge by educators? Only found out about it on 4chan and gasped on how easily we could have accidentally injured ourselves while cleaning our dorm bathroom.

I learned about these from the book "A Child Called It". When the abusive parent uses the bleach+ammonia mixture on him.

Then I tried to figure out what else bleach could do. This is not a healthy line of experimenting for a dumb 17 year old.

I 100% believe HS chem should teach this. Then at least you know what not to do.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by duskwuff »

mkolodny wrote: post #27
klohto wrote: post #5

I’m sad that even though this unique design was done and put online for anyone to print by Prusa, he is hardly mentioned now. On top of that, the design is already commercialized. EDIT: I see now that the design is different, you’re right

I'd guess this is the face shield you're referring to: https://www.prusaprinters.org/prints/25857-prusa-face-shield It's awesome that Prusa designed and open sourced face shields. Apple seems to have improved on those designs - to me, that's exactly the point of open source.

> Apple seems to have improved on those designs

I'm not sure the Apple design was influenced by Prusa at all. The curved plastic is basically universal, and was present in face shields long before the coronavirus crisis. Some face shields used a rigid molded plastic shield, but that's obviously much harder to manufacture. If the shield is made of flexible plastic, something is clearly needed to tension it; the Prusa design used a rigid printed component, and Apple used another flexible component.

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Post by adrianmonk »

sirtimbly wrote: post #95
jhweoiru wrote: post #75

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Or to be even more generic, never mix a cleaning/disinfecting product with anything else.

There goes my childhood entertainment.

At least they didn't warn against the dangers of holding a match in front of a can of WD-40.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by docbrown »

tiredwired wrote: post #84
docbrown wrote: post #35

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> I was hoping everyone in the US might be able to buy one. This burst of PPE being produced in mass quantities are and were never meant to go in the hands of the general public (i.e., non healthcare workers), though. The general public does not need to be walking around with a full face shield, that’ll be a waste of materials, time and money, unfortunately.

Lots of medical people telling general public they do not need PPE and then they wonder why the hospitals are full of sick people. edit: go ahead and downvote you losers. nobody cares.

I'm not sure I understand this argument. Are you speaking of sick people coming into the hospital during this pandemic or overall? Because I can ensure you, many hospitalizations are not due to a lack of PPE. Broken hips are not caused by a lack of PPE; myocardial infractions are not caused by a lack of wearing gloves; nor is a person falling into a diabetic comma caused by not wearing PPE.

But, if you're talking about during this pandemic, it was inherently clear that there was a lack of supplies to begin with and panic buying/hoarding would not help the situation. Now don't get me wrong, I am not condoning the actions of any government--I feel as if they did drop the ball--but there was a dire need of any available PPE to be given priority to first responders and frontline healthcare workers. When you're physician gets ill and eventually passes, that PT load is now given to another physician who is putting their life on the life. We need to protect those on the frontlines who are protecting us or else there will be nobody left.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by systemvoltage »

catalogia wrote: post #110
systemvoltage wrote: post #91

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I wish media would stop tooting how amazing "3D Printing" is. It is just one of the ways of manufacturing. IMO, it is a poor way to do anything besides home hobby projects (there are a few medical exceptions). It takes 12+ hours to print anything useful. Yet media loves talking about 3D printing. For anyone who has worked in product design and manufacturing, it is one thing to be able to make a few prototypes (which…

> IMO, it is a poor way to do anything besides home hobby projects (there are a few medical exceptions). It's good for various sorts of low-volume production, particularly prototyping. But yes, the hype about 3d printing putting factories out of business is very silly.

Yep, if a hospital has a couple of 3D printers donated to them, by all means, make something. I am mostly concerned with the coverage from the media.

Here are a few articles:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/health/librarian-3d-printing-...

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-3d-printing-vent...

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/coronavirus/art...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-3d-pri...

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/27/950240/3d-printi...

And NYTimes: https://www.google.com/search?q=nytimes+3d+printing+coronavi...

It's cool but I am cynical that media loves talking about 3D printing because it generates more viewership; no one wants to read an article "Decades old technology of injection molding is still the best way to make high volume parts during this pandemic".

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Post by Cass »

fny wrote: post #8
gamesetmath wrote: post #2

Chinese knockoffs already available on Amazon

This is such an insane problem. I've been trying to source N95s and everyone I've talked to, even very reliable people, keep bringing me counterfeits without realizing it. I'm actually really concerned their physicians are using those N95 masks. Thankfully face shields are less of a risk.

Speaking as a physician who's been handed a lot of respirators from ever more dodgy sources, how do I tell whether I'm given a counterfeit N95?

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Post by adwi »

101404 wrote: post #70
adwi wrote: post #51

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They made 20,000,000 of them already and they’re free. I assume you’re joking but they’re trying to save lives and I don’t see the need for negativity around this. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/apple-will-battle-co...

Because humor is "negativity". Maybe don't make people feel worse. Thank you.

“Tragedy plus time” is the standard formula in that vein of humor.

Let’s give the victims time to succumb and their families time to grieve before breaking out the glib cynicism toward other peoples’ lifesaving actions.

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Post by lonelappde »

DanBC wrote: post #101
djrogers wrote: post #92

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Touching one's mask is infinitely better than the alternative of touching one's face, and in the case of a non-symptomatic individual wearing a mask to reduce outbound infectious particles has no bearing at all. The whole 'masks are too hard to use' thing was a horror perpetrated by gov't officials afraid of private individuals hoarding masks.

> Touching one's mask is infinitely better than the alternative of touching one's face, No, because the outside of the mask is contaminated and now your fingers are contaminated. > and in the case of a non-symptomatic individual wearing a mask to reduce outbound infectious particles has no bearing at all. No, because the outside of the mask is contaminated because those masks are not impermeable and the virus does pe…

Both of those things seem just as hard as managing a mask. People are crap at handwashing, and face touching is subconscious.
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