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Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by baud147258 »

cookiengineer wrote: post #208
RobertoG wrote: post #20

It kind of ruined content too. Why it ruined content? You are not the only one that is searching for the answer to that question. Keep reading to know why SEO ruined content. Many people think that SEO ruined content, in this post, we are goin to explain why SEO ruined content. When you finish reading this post, you will know why SEO ruined content. In the last years we have observed a grown in the quantity of conten…

Every time I land on websites that have such content I am wondering why anybody would want that kind of traffic. I mean, don't they have server costs? It's like they own an infinite amount of money bucket that constantly gets refilled somehow. Why are advertisers even paying them for such impressions? Are they so ridiculously retarded in their business model? Can we all hurt advertisers by setting up a website like t…

That reminds me of an ad network, which was usually displayed next to webcomics, with nearly all the adds pointing to other webcomics, who all had ads from the same network… I had no idea how that network was making any money or paying anything to the websites.

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Post by runxel »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #163
runxel wrote: post #140

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If I am doing that most of the time the first few hundred results are pages which just list all numbers there are – like in a consecutive manner. Never understood why there are so many of this pages and why you would build one...

Ad revenue.

Well yeah, maybe in former times, when there was pay-per-view. Don't know anybody who is still doing this. Nowadays (already 10+ years) ads are only paid-by-click, because of "conversion".

Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by Spivak »

rchaud wrote: post #269
octocop wrote: post #129

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This is sooo true, every time i look for a recipe online it's all i ever see.

I cannot say this enough: buy a recipe book. Online recipe sites will always be absurdly verbose, because if they just posted a list, Google would either rank it poorly because it is "thin content", or scrape it and post it as a Featured Snippet. There is seemingly no in-between. The site authors have no choice but to fill it with a bunch of warbling about their childhood, to meet Google's minimum word count, which o…

See there is a double edged sword here because outstanding recipes are thesis papers explaining the motivation, concepts, prior art and research, history, experiments, methodology, equipment, and then finally, optionally even, the reipce. They should be long and verbose. You should learn something by reading a recipe.

The problem of course is that search crawlers can't tell the difference between between the two and so long but empty content is treated the same.

Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by Spivak »

stevekemp wrote: post #244
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #125

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Yep. Say I want a recipe. A tried and true delicious recipe. Can I search and just find a recipe? Nope. Through the magic of SEO, I now have to scroll through 15 paragraphs of somebody's life story before being able to examine the time and ingredients. How much time and energy was wasted on building "tag" systems? All those fun little term link clouds that sites used to have. I know I wasted time on it. I had somethi…

Even worse when you do find the recipe it uses some crazy measuring system! What is one "cup" of flour? It obviously depends on how fine the flour is. Use grams! Use ounces! But above all use some kind of real measurement!

> What is one "cup" of flour?

8 fl oz of flour spooned into the measuring cup or 4.5 oz. by weight.

I'm not at all trying to be snarky here. Like any other specialization people who cook have organic terminology that is useful to the in-group but confusing to the out-group. A /24 isn't the same as a class C network but we all know what is being conveyed.

And you'll get much more accurate measurements of small quantities measuring by volume instead of weight since kitchen scales aren't that accurate. Knowing that 0.25 tsp is about a gram for just about any granular thing will probably do better than your scale.

It also helps convey the sig figs in recipe. Very few recipes have a tolerance of 1 g. Even finicky bread doesn't get that accurate so it's ridiculous when some bloggers write something like 113 g when without question the recipe was originally formulated to be 4.0 oz and you just messed up the conveyed tolerances by blindly converting.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

type0 wrote: post #255
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #118

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Agreeing: This thread of thought comes up semi-regularly here, I've argued similarly to you. People will rebuy good products, or be stimulated to replace other similar products (bought a new TV for the kitchen, now the lounge TV seems dated, new boots feel awesome get another pair for when they wear out, new $thing is fun buy one for friends birthday.). There's also a big place for brand enforcement. Show Sony stuff,…

> People will rebuy good products, The big reason advertisers show the ads for products you already purchased is also to reinforce their brand. If you buy some stupid cable, you wont remember the name of the company that made it, but you will if they show you the add couple of times in a row and will likely to buy the things there again even if it not the same product.

Agree, that was in my 3rd paragraph above.

Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by stevekemp »

Spivak wrote: post #274
stevekemp wrote: post #244

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Even worse when you do find the recipe it uses some crazy measuring system! What is one "cup" of flour? It obviously depends on how fine the flour is. Use grams! Use ounces! But above all use some kind of real measurement!

> What is one "cup" of flour? 8 fl oz of flour spooned into the measuring cup or 4.5 oz. by weight. I'm not at all trying to be snarky here. Like any other specialization people who cook have organic terminology that is useful to the in-group but confusing to the out-group. A /24 isn't the same as a class C network but we all know what is being conveyed. And you'll get much more accurate measurements of small quantit…

I understand how to make bread, bakers-percentages, etc. It's just that when it comes to flour a cup is a terrible measurement, due to the way it packs and the different volume involved in various varieties/types of flour.

Most of the time when I'm cooking and I see an American recipe I just google the conversion; a cup of milk is easy to deal with. Just a minor irritation most of the time, but for some things it matters.

Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by stevekemp »

umvi wrote: post #258
stevekemp wrote: post #244

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Even worse when you do find the recipe it uses some crazy measuring system! What is one "cup" of flour? It obviously depends on how fine the flour is. Use grams! Use ounces! But above all use some kind of real measurement!

Most Americans don't have a kitchen scale

I know that different cultures are different, but I always think of Americans as being (kitchen) gadget-obsessed.

Maybe I've watched too many infomercials and soaps. I've reached a point where I know Americans don't have (electric) kettles, but a scale seems like a necessity for anybody who cooks.

(I guess there are lot of people, American, or otherwise, who just don't cook. So I'd understand in that case. But cooking without a scale just seems surprising. Even where I come from a grew up with a balance-scale with brass weights. Never hugely accurate, but always available.)

Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by umvi »

stevekemp wrote: post #277
umvi wrote: post #258

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Most Americans don't have a kitchen scale

I know that different cultures are different, but I always think of Americans as being (kitchen) gadget-obsessed. Maybe I've watched too many infomercials and soaps. I've reached a point where I know Americans don't have (electric) kettles, but a scale seems like a necessity for anybody who cooks. (I guess there are lot of people, American, or otherwise, who just don't cook. So I'd understand in that case. But cookin…

It's because Americans mainly cook with volumes ("1 cup flour") and not masses ("100g flour"). Just look at any American recipe book - it will use volumes instead of weights.

Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by kaixi »

RobertoG wrote: post #104
RobertoG wrote: post #20

It kind of ruined content too. Why it ruined content? You are not the only one that is searching for the answer to that question. Keep reading to know why SEO ruined content. Many people think that SEO ruined content, in this post, we are goin to explain why SEO ruined content. When you finish reading this post, you will know why SEO ruined content. In the last years we have observed a grown in the quantity of conten…

I just searched (1) "SEO ruined content" in duck duck go and this Hacker news page is the first entry. We are very lucky that, as far as we know, an accumulation of irony doesn't create black holes. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=SEO+ruined+content&t=canonical&ia=...

First result on Google now. Well done!

Re: How SEO Ruined the Internet

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Post by ludsan »

RobertoG wrote: post #20

It kind of ruined content too. Why it ruined content? You are not the only one that is searching for the answer to that question. Keep reading to know why SEO ruined content. Many people think that SEO ruined content, in this post, we are goin to explain why SEO ruined content. When you finish reading this post, you will know why SEO ruined content. In the last years we have observed a grown in the quantity of conten…

hilarious... reminds me of my favorite Mitchell/web parody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFtl2XXnUc
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