Alternatively, "global shutdown destroys export industry". There is a debate as to whether education should be for profit at all versus purely state funded, but if it is private then normally an industry bringing in overseas money and customers would be celebrated.
You really have to consider follow-on effects. It's like outsourcing all your manufacturing -- eventually you'll need something local and won't be able to get it, and everyone local who could otherwise have helped will resent you for selling out your industry.
If it can subsidize native students, it's not a bad thing, what's needed is an enviroment in which cheating and political manipulation can be freely called out.
They need to start fresh, with no sacred cow when it comes to expenses. Universities have become so bloated is not even funny.
I work at a University in Australia and have been on both sides of academic and professional. This unravelling was on the horizon for everybody, maybe not so soon, but definitely in the viewport. In an effort to drive up income streams there has been a slow erosion of Australian education (more at some universities than others) to cater for the international (Chinese and Indian predominantly) market. There are all sort of perverse incentives built in to erode educational benefits, hand hold students, make university 'fun', something that used to be part of the student body's remit, but having crushed that movement it is now where a lot of money is being spent at many universities. Not on academics, not on labs, but on comfort, edtech, busy work and asinine initiatives underpinned by endless erroneous reporting by consultants to make execs feel like they are 'doing good'. I know - it is hard not to sound bitter, but it is a tragedy of short sightedness. The recruitment of students is predatory and eventually the saturation of subpar graduates from these university degrees would have eventually resulted in the fading of both cultural and brand name prestige of sending your kids to Australia for study. This is also tied to cheap international student labour, housing that pockets the inner cities that nobody who isn't a trapped rich international would live in and a segregation of the university student community that is unhelpful.
If it can subsidize native students, it's not a bad thing, what's needed is an enviroment in which cheating and political manipulation can be freely called out.
I had the same attitude as you, but many of the wealthy, Chinese-raised students at my local (prestigious, private) university can't speak basic English.
The school then has to choose to either fail the student or ignore their cheating. With a $250k incentive to choose the former, that's what they choose.
Obligatory clip from Yes Minister https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7mhtp5a5E
Bailey College sounds a lot like Balliol College. I guess this was from the era where you didn't use actual names, though the universities themselves were named correctly IIRC (Hacker went to the LSE). The show also had imaginary countries that sounded like they belonged in certain regions.
The comments about having classrooms is because the Oxford and Cambridge colleges tend not to teach people in groups the size you might be used to at high school. You'd have tutorials with one or two students and a Prof in their office, and if your Prof was nice they'd even give you some booze while sitting like the characters are doing there. There are lectures as well with hundreds of students in huge halls. Depends a lot of what you're studying but I did a mix of engineering and social science, so had a sniff of both.
Alternatively, "global shutdown destroys export industry". There is a debate as to whether education should be for profit at all versus purely state funded, but if it is private then normally an industry bringing in overseas money and customers would be celebrated.
You really have to consider follow-on effects. It's like outsourcing all your manufacturing -- eventually you'll need something local and won't be able to get it, and everyone local who could otherwise have helped will resent you for selling out your industry.
Isn't this the reverse? China has outsourced higher education to the West. What follow on effects are you referring to?
Besides, students are typically non-local in any university town.
I work at a University in Australia and have been on both sides of academic and professional. This unravelling was on the horizon for everybody, maybe not so soon, but definitely in the viewport. In an effort to drive up income streams there has been a slow erosion of Australian education (more at some universities than others) to cater for the international (Chinese and Indian predominantly) market. There are all so…
I can't see international travel restrictions to Australia being relaxed until a vaccine is developed, so universities and landlords are going to be in a world of hurt.
$AU 18b of revenue. The goal was significantly smaller when things started. What this has done to tertiary education in Australia is a very mixed bag. I love that we teach people. I hate what it has done to the system overall. Also, NZ and other regional players are exasperated with how Australia marketed. We didn't make things easy for any other players and now its all crashing down, there are mutters of "good"
I know the two countries are relatively closely related (with something approaching freedom of movement, etc.), but why is the Australian tertiary education marketing specifically a concern or source of exasperation for NZ?
Alternatively, "global shutdown destroys export industry". There is a debate as to whether education should be for profit at all versus purely state funded, but if it is private then normally an industry bringing in overseas money and customers would be celebrated.
There's a broader picture though, like over tourism. It brings money but it destroys the product.
$AU 18b of revenue. The goal was significantly smaller when things started. What this has done to tertiary education in Australia is a very mixed bag. I love that we teach people. I hate what it has done to the system overall. Also, NZ and other regional players are exasperated with how Australia marketed. We didn't make things easy for any other players and now its all crashing down, there are mutters of "good"
I know the two countries are relatively closely related (with something approaching freedom of movement, etc.), but why is the Australian tertiary education marketing specifically a concern or source of exasperation for NZ?