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Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by bremeika »

tombot wrote: post #185
bremeika wrote: post #149

Have you tried Internal? https://internal.io/ It's great for engineering teams that want to add custom HTTP services, hook into GraphQL mutations, and/or add custom SQL - but want to empower non devs, lazy devs or simply devs that want to focus on their core product. We started working on Internal after realizing that most companies can't dedicate valuable engineering time to build and constantly maintain/upgrade the…

Would be useful if there was a public pricing page somewhere?

We're working on that. In the meantime, happy to do a call to discuss.

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by spitfire »

cdrx wrote: post #212
insin wrote: post #187

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Is there a similar point-and-click tool which can output Django models with all the relationship fields wired up correctly? Getting as far as you can modelling a new problem domain with just models.py and the Django admin is pretty fun.

There is https://apibakery.com on the basic end of the scale

This and Hasura are excellent. What's on the more sophisticated end of the scale? Is there anything that will generate user/company role systems and bake those into the generated API? Generate client side SDK's from the API?

FWIW I just reproduced an API that took me 3 days to build (while learning Django rest framework) in about 5 minutes.

My time would have been much better spend modeling the domain. As a happy benefit apibakery taught me a bit about DRF permissions I didn't know.

It feels like we're finally getting back to the 90's level RAD tools like NeXT enterprise object framework, and Delphi.

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Post by gavinray »

goldcaddy77 wrote: post #163
simplify wrote: post #95

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I really want to like Hasura, but very quickly you'll run into limitations of its permission system. Especially when dealing with logic across relationships. If only Hasura supported some king of Prolog / Datalog instead of their ad-hoc JSON language, then you'd be able to write nearly any possible use cases. Until then, I'll stick to building and maintaining my own backends... manually :(

If you’re looking for more flexibility than Hasura, I’d recommend you try out Warthog (disclaimer: I’m the author). It’s a Node Library that uses TypeORM, TypeGraphQL and some extra magic under the hood to let you spin up APIs very quickly (auto-generated schema), but you also have access to the bare metal code. You can set up CRUD essentially free, but it provides you a slew of ways to handle more complex scenarios.

Warthog is super cool too.

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by dvasdekis »

cpursley wrote: post #188
dvasdekis wrote: post #102

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I've taken your stack one step further, with a completely dockerised solution that uses Firebase as an authentication solution (authentication is missing from the current low-code example). It can be run locally or on a cloud provider that runs containers (e.g. GCP Compute Create-With-Container). See here: https://github.com/dvasdekis/react-admin-hasura-firebase/ Thanks to gavinray also for the help with this!

This is awesome. I haven't had time to expand react-admin-low-code, so glad to see someone take the general idea and run with it. I'll update the Readme to mention your repo when I have a chance. What we're doing in our production version of this is using Postgres and Hasura for auth following this approach in order to reduce external dependencies: https://github.com/sander-io/hasura-jwt-auth It's really amazing how…

Totally agree! Although I'm one of the contributors to that repo as well, the sheer number of possible attack vectors on the JWT scheme means that I was reluctant to use it in a publicly-facing use case. Let me know how it goes!

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Post by vortexo »

gitgud wrote: post #138
crabl wrote: post #50

Being a part of the Dark beta ( https://darklang.com ) has been incredible. It makes setting up a simple backend with persistent storage a breeze.

Sure darklang improves productivity. But the cost of that productivity is absolute vendor lock-in... Darklang is a proprietary framework where the ENTIRE stack... even the IDE! is controlled by a specific company. Just be weary of this, when depending on it.

That's an interesting point-of-view. I was also worried and had to search in their Slack channel. This is what they have to say:

"so specifically to lock-in: right now, no one concerned about lock-in is going to have a good experience on dark. We don’t have the resources to address that need, but at some point we will be in a company position to deal with the lock-in question. Our plan is to give you tools and resources to move off Dark if you want to"

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Post by sneak »

mycall wrote: post #249
Hawxy wrote: post #180

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The main issue with this viewpoint and your (arguably sensationalist) article is that it just finger points & blatantly ignores the reason those protections are in place. The number of people that consider Discord part of their threat model or an actual privacy risk is incredibly tiny compared to the number of users that get inconvenience by mass bot raids & people bypassing IP bans. I help manage a medium-sized Disc…

It would seem that anonymous VOIP gateways could easily bypass that telephone requirement.

There are API services that let you identify the type of number provided by the user. VoIP lines don't identify the same way as landlines which don't identify the same way as actual SIM-backed mobiles. They blacklist lots of providers and number types.

My first account I was able to get was via a number I rented on dtmf.io. The account was suspended (across all "servers" in Discord) in a few minutes when I linked a few of my IRL friends in a Discord chat to that Discord article on my own website. I've not been able to sign up again since, despite having blown something like 40EUR on numbers from different countries/providers trying to get a new one.

Even when it works, it's at least 10 minutes of solving CAPTCHAs to log in, each and every time, and sometimes the Google CAPTCHA hits some other exit node rate limit and just tells you to fuck off entirely, making login impossible even with a working account.

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by johnx123 »

gavinray wrote: post #15

Hasura by far, lets you point-and-click build your database and table relationships with a web dashboard and autogenerates a full GraphQL CRUD API with permissions you can configure and JWT/webhook auth baked-in. https://hasura.io/ I've been able to build in a weekend no-code what would've taken my team weeks or months to build by hand, even with something as productive as Rails. It automates the boring stuff and you…

FWIW, Hasura seems to be having some rough edges with their permissions and performance https://github.com/hasura/graphql-engine/issues/4307

Re: Ask HN: What are your favorite low-coding apps / tools as a developer?

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Post by cpursley »

dvasdekis wrote: post #256
cpursley wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is awesome. I haven't had time to expand react-admin-low-code, so glad to see someone take the general idea and run with it. I'll update the Readme to mention your repo when I have a chance. What we're doing in our production version of this is using Postgres and Hasura for auth following this approach in order to reduce external dependencies: https://github.com/sander-io/hasura-jwt-auth It's really amazing how…

Totally agree! Although I'm one of the contributors to that repo as well, the sheer number of possible attack vectors on the JWT scheme means that I was reluctant to use it in a publicly-facing use case. Let me know how it goes!

What are your biggest concerns about the Pg/Hasura JWT approach (which particular attack vectors made you nervous)?
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