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Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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The problem with minimalism is that the word doesn't have a comprehensible definition, so any time you get into a discussion about minimalism, the entire discussion ends up being an argument over the definition of the word. The only winning move is not to play. At one point I might have called myself a minimalist, but these days I'd call myself more of an anticonsumerist or something along those lines.

Anticonsumerist is actually a great word. I might adopt it. Much more succint.

Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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Yep. For me, the hardcore/conspicuous materialism (i.e. "I only have a 100 things.) is largely for well-off people only, who can afford to outsource all their uncommon needs - the kind of needs which require tools and parts to sit idle for years, until the occasion arises when you need them. It's telling that poorer people tend to hoard things - you never know when you're going to need that piece of cooper wire etc.

Do you include storage costs? Keeping stuff in your home is the most expensive option most of the time given how expensive homes are.

I think that's overly simplistic. At least where I live people usually buy one house (if they buy one) and keep it for the rest of their lives, so the size is already determined by the amount of things they own, or how much space they need. Just that I've never seen this as a factor, you usually buy what you can afford, not as large as needed to fit your stuff. Stuff just happens to amass and even a small house can be unimaginably full of things without looking like it's full. When my parents sold their house we filled up 2 vans just with tools from the shed. yes, it was a big shed, but it wasn't cramped.

Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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> If your possessions all have practical utility, This seems tautological or uselessly subjective. What is a possession without practical value? You seem to have talked yourself out of seeing the value in possessions you own. Perhaps you are simply anxious. How this attitude began to be associated with the minimalist design movement I have no clue.

> What is a possession without practical value? Token gifts that have been gifts for the sake of gifting something. Most things in a souvenir store.

Well damn I've been living a minimalist lifestyle my whole life without meaning to.

> Token gifts that have been gifts for the sake of gifting something.

There is utility value in sentimental gifts, too, but it's obviously subjective. Why not just say "get rid of items that stress you out", like people have been doing the entirety of human history? That's hardly a social movement or a lifestyle, though.

Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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> If your possessions all have practical utility, This seems tautological or uselessly subjective. What is a possession without practical value? You seem to have talked yourself out of seeing the value in possessions you own. Perhaps you are simply anxious. How this attitude began to be associated with the minimalist design movement I have no clue.

If that seems tautological, you're already bought in. For others it is very much not.

> If that seems tautological, you're already bought in.

...bought in to what?

Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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Yeah, it's funny, ordering takeaway all the time is also one of the plenty of alternatives to lighting money on fire.

So, I eat out and order takeaway a lot. The average cost for this is roughly $8-$14. I could cook, I suppose, spending an hour or two every day, and cut that cost to.. $3-$5? But just for the heck of it, say I save the whole damn cost, because I grow my own rice on the windowsill or whatever. So, by spending an hour every day (excluding going to the store to buy ingredients, which we all know takes no time, or browsi…

We had brown rice and broccoli for dinner last night. Time to cook the rice was about 45 minutes, the broccoli about 5. Time involved was maybe five minutes: measure rice and water, bring to boil, put on the lid. Later on, peek at it for progress. For the broccoli, wash, cut up and put into the pot, bring to boil, prod with fork.

Of course there is a time cost in shopping, but the broccoli and rice made up a small part of the shopping runs that included them.

Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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Minimal techno had a big moment in EDM circles in the '00s as the bombastic productions of the '90s started to be seen as cheesy and overcooked. See for example: https://youtu.be/daSid6Lh9Vs

I'm personally more of a fan of things like OG DJ Distance for minimalism. this track hits me where it feels: https://youtu.be/3AT8szyLD0k Turns out, two "movements" (repeated?), and little bit of variation is enough to dance to, and generally make for a pretty good song.

Just saw this again - I listened to that track and really enjoyed it! I typically go for softer, more melodic stuff, but there is still a teenage metalhead in me that really digs this.

Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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Yes, it is. Unless you have an explanation of why not without getting into no true Scotsman territory.

Minimalism is about maintaining useful purpose behind the things you own and not retaining unnecessary objects. If you're a DIY person, and you have a good reason for a backyard of junk cars, that's explainable. If you buy a new iPhone every year but you don't actually use the majority of the new features (if ever at all), that's frivolity. Minimalism isn't the ideology that (less is more)==(less things). That comes…

So minimalism is just efficiency? Call it that then.

And frivolity isn't a relevant category to minimalism. You could be minimalist in achieving frivolous ends. Clearly you're carrying too much in the term.

Re: Minimalism conceals the messy realities of society

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Yes, it is. Unless you have an explanation of why not without getting into no true Scotsman territory.

It is hard to avoid no true Scotsman territory for a term that in not very well defined and used slightly differently depending on context (what medium, which aspect of life, geographically). Also I haven't read any of the linked books/articles the newrepublic piece links. Wikipedia has it as: "The term minimalist often colloquially refers to anything that is spare or stripped to its essentials." Oxford Dictionary as…

The comparison is between having a single working car that you pay someone to fix when it breaks vs. owning a car that you can fix by yourself by having lots of tools and parts around.

The first is minimalist because it involves less physical material to store and organize. The second is self reliant because you can do for yourself without needing to draw on outside systems as much.

The example you gave is just moving the goal posts completely. The large many car garage case is both less minimalist and less self reliant, so not to the point.

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