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Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by ckolkey »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #136
core-questions wrote: post #119

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> I think many people are missing the point that this doesn't appear to be a finished product ready for developers to use. It's absolutely a finished product, GitPod is the commercially available (and white-label-able) version, people are productively using this today, including using VSCode addons and writing their own. > "Why would anyone switch to this from VSCode" Imagine preparing a Docker image of everything re…

You ever see one VIM or Emacs user try to use someone else’s setup? I’d be shocked if there were any productivity gains... this seems like something that managers want to say but is disconnected from reality.

At one point in my vimrc I decided that P and p needed to be swapped...

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by fxtentacle »

michaelmrose wrote: post #135
fxtentacle wrote: post #130

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Agree. When I read Eclipse, I thought "icky" and scrolled down to see if maybe JetBrains will turn it into something usable. Since they're not in the list, I'll pass on this. I'd rather rent a Windows Server so that I can remote desktop into IntelliJ than suffer through another IDE. The productivity boost that you can get from using a great tool that you are intimately familiar with is just way too much to sacrifice…

You needn't even remote in IntelliJ runs on windows mac and linux.

Agree, but then what's the point of using a Cloud IDE instead?

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by afshin »

atonse wrote: post #124
kls wrote: post #121

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And why would they not just consolidate their efforts into improving VS code. I don't get it, VS Code is an awesome platform, no need to reinvent the wheel we just need more high quality extensions to improve it support for different technologies.

Yeah when I see a project like this, I think of all the wasted time that all these talented teams could save by combining forces. At the end of the day, after who knows how much effort, this thing looks IDENTICAL to VS Code. So what was the point of all the work, apart from Not-Invented-Here? VS Code is MIT licensed. So what exactly is the concern about one company running it? Anyone can fork it and do whatever they…

Theia runs inside a web browser. VS Code doesn't.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by GordonS »

z3t4 wrote: post #60
bb101 wrote: post #18

Contributors and adopters: Whilst it's healthy to have competition, I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source. Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it?

One could argue if VScode is an open source project or not. But when copying an open source project, it's not called rip-off, it's called fork. The intentions of forks are to improve the software, try out new ideas, etc, and the original software can merge new features developed in the fork. Forks can however be "hostile" when the intentions are to rip-off the original creator by stealing users/sponsors and making th…

> One could argue if VScode is an open source project or not

I mean... not really, no?! It's MIT licensed and fits any definition of OSS I've ever seen.

AFAIK, the only non-OSS part is the installer.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by benbristow »

sgt wrote: post #28
benbristow wrote: post #9

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What would you expect from a cloud editor? FYI, Visual Studio Code is an Electron app. And it's very performant.

It's performant because it's sucking your resources dry with a massive memory footprint, which is possible thanks to virtual memory. Doesn't mean it's ideal.

I realise that this might sound privileged/gate-keeping but if you're a developer in 2020 I'd expect you to at least have 8GB of RAM. I'd say it's the minimum you should have for a decent computing experience nowadays. I have 16GB and usually idle around 50% usage with just a general task load. Especially with Windows 10. Not that it's a good thing but it seems to be the way things are going.

1/8th of your memory for your IDE doesn't sound too bad?

I've seen native tools use more.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by rstat1 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #142
bb101 wrote: post #18

Contributors and adopters: Whilst it's healthy to have competition, I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source. Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it?

Creating a derivative work isn't termed a "rip off" in open source its an expected use case. You don't have to work with someone before making your own work derivative of theirs. If it comes to pass that your work directly competes with theirs for developers or users you just have to convince potential users and developers that they ought to use yours instead same as any other competing entity in a free market. For e…

But Ford doesn't build their cars from Toyota parts and software and then just slap their logo on it and call it a day. So I'm not so sure that's a great analogy.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

bb101 wrote: post #18

Contributors and adopters: Whilst it's healthy to have competition, I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source. Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it?

> I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source

If our working definition of rip-off is work alike that replicates the interface without sharing code, then I would say that open source has an incredibly long history of building through ripping off. Linux is a rip-off of MINIX is a rip-ff of Unix, GNU is a rip-off of Unix, various graphical interfaces over the years have been copies of commercial offerings. Copying VSC is absolutely in the spirit of Open Source.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by michaelmrose »

rstat1 wrote: post #156
michaelmrose wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creating a derivative work isn't termed a "rip off" in open source its an expected use case. You don't have to work with someone before making your own work derivative of theirs. If it comes to pass that your work directly competes with theirs for developers or users you just have to convince potential users and developers that they ought to use yours instead same as any other competing entity in a free market. For e…

But Ford doesn't build their cars from Toyota parts and software and then just slap their logo on it and call it a day. So I'm not so sure that's a great analogy.

You don't need to buy open source parts nor receive permission to use them.
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