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Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by PaulHoule »

freehunter wrote: post #39
jpxw wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain how exactly it is “dangerous”?

Speculation on treatments for Covid-19 has already killed people: https://ktla.com/news/arizona-man-dies-after-taking-form-of-...

Don't mess with pet meds no matter how tempting it may be. We have horses so we have phenylbutazone which is tempting to use instead of aspirin, ivermectin which you might be tempted to use instead of otc parental for roundworms, also a huge jar of thyroid hormone that might help you lose weight.

I stay away.

Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by jpxw »

freehunter wrote: post #39
jpxw wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain how exactly it is “dangerous”?

Speculation on treatments for Covid-19 has already killed people: https://ktla.com/news/arizona-man-dies-after-taking-form-of-...

This man was killed because he drank fish tank cleaner. Frankly, I don’t believe his death is causally linked to certain people speculating that hydroxychlorouine might be an effective treatment.

Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by guscost »

cowpig wrote: post #33

There's so much blind speculation in this comment section. The kind that's intriguing and fun when it's about engineering/math/whatever, but dangerous when it's about the health effects of an ongoing pandemic. I hope moderators do something about it.

The article is mostly blind speculation too. Just going with the flow.

Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by trentnix »

cowpig wrote: post #46
trentnix wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think there's a lot of blind (and wild!) speculation happening here, you should see what's happening in hospitals by physicians and infectious disease experts! We're just seeing how the sausage is made in a medical crisis. And it is never pretty.

Sure, but those people know a bunch of things we don't, and are not speculating on an internet message board for thousands of random people to read.

We? My experience has been that Hacker News is filled with world-class experts on all manner of subjects. I've no doubt infectious diseases is one of those subjects, as well.

Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by 411111111111111 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #48
411111111111111 wrote: post #31

let me preface this by mentioning that i havent been tested for covid-19. two weeks ago i've been having real issues breathing. it felt like my upper body was borderline paralyzed and i had to really force myself to fully breathe in. this wasn't constant but happened every day for several hours each. especially at night. i got worried that i might have the virus so i checked my temperature and oxygen blood saturation…

You could be having panic attacks; based on the fact you've got numbers, it sounds to me like you're actively monitoring your own blood saturation, which already implies you may be worrying too much about things like that. Don't underestimate the effects of worry and stress. If it's temporary and you don't have other symptoms then you probably don't have the virus.

Definitely a possibility. I'm not monitoring it however. I just checked whenever it got extremely bad and again after it went away.

I do have the other symptoms though. Only the fever is missing.

Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by yread »

carlsborg wrote: post #3

There is a paper circulating that claims that the virus impedes red blood cells leading to organ failure including lungs, and not the other way round.

Yeah, it's simulating protein-protein interaction. Very much bleeding edge of research, stuff like this needs biological validation before you should trust it.

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Post by jfnixon »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #20
Bombthecat wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't happen. We can't go in lockdown for 2 or three years..

Probably not for even another month. Because it will stop working, for practical reasons. People will have to go back to work, or be evicted. Go out for necessities, shopping around to find any, increasing their exposure instead of decreasing it. Go job interviewing. All sorts of fallout, which actually increases travel and potential infection, instead of reducing it. Its easy for us middle-class folks to say "Just s…

Infrastructure will begin to break down if we don't do regular maintenance. That means spare parts, which means manufacturing, which means raw materials. Food has a similar supply chain issue.

Break the infrastructure enough that public sanitation stops working properly, and the Covid-19 deaths will be a rounding error in the excess death rate.

Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dcolkitt wrote: post #28

This headline is definitely a lot scarier than the actual body of the study. The most likely cause of the heart damage by far is the systemic inflammation induced by pneumonia. We know this because pneumonia patients of all types often have heart strain afterwards[1]. But that damage is very rarely permanent as the risk subsides back to baseline given enough time. Until we see evidence of heart issues in patients wit…

> The most likely cause of the heart damage by far is the systemic inflammation induced by pneumonia

Isn’t this premature given the lack of data?

We’re seeing an anomaly documented and being studied. It’s not cause for alarm. But neither does it merit such dismissal.

Re: Mysterious heart damage, not just lung troubles, befalling Covid-19 patients

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Post by _bxg1 »

I wish these articles would be more specific about what they mean by "pre-existing heart conditions". I have slightly high blood pressure which has been known to enter hypertension territory before (by like 1 point), but I think mostly stays a bit below there. Never know how worried I should be.
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