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Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Pretty neat! Similarly, I often use Wikipedia to find translations for specific technical terms that aren't in bilingual dictionaries or Google Translate. If you go to a wiki page about a term, there are usually many links on the sidebar to versions in other languages, which are usually titled with the canonical term in that language.

Dict.cc is excellent for that, if you're translating between German and English. Linguee can also be really good.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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post #18

Pretty neat! Similarly, I often use Wikipedia to find translations for specific technical terms that aren't in bilingual dictionaries or Google Translate. If you go to a wiki page about a term, there are usually many links on the sidebar to versions in other languages, which are usually titled with the canonical term in that language.

I also do this :) It would be cool to build a dictionary that uses this method.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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There's a risk of phishing by editing Wikipedia articles if the plugin gets popular. Perhaps it's useful to crosscheck the current URL against the 24-hour earlier and 48-hour earlier versions of the same article. Crosscheck back in time, not back in revision, since one can spam the history by making a lot of edits.

I jotted down some thoughts about this very thing last year. Here's the part that argues that it could work out to be fairly robust despite this apparent weakness:

> Not as trivially compromised as it sounds like it would be; could be faked with (inevitably short-lived) edits, but temporality can't be faked. If a system were rolled out tomorrow, nothing that happens after rollout [...] would alter the fact that for the last N years, Wikipedia has understood that the website for Facebook is facebook.com. Newly created, low-traffic articles and short-lived edits would fail the trust threshold. After rollout, there would be increased attention to make sure that longstanding edits getting in that misrepresent the link between domain and identity [can never reach maturity]. Would-be attackers would be discouraged to the point of not even trying.

https://www.colbyrussell.com/2019/05/15/may-integration.html...

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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DNS translates a name into an IP address. This is not DNS per-se, it is just a search plugin for the url bar.

If an analogy was needed with a network service perhaps this is more like a proxy redirector than DNS.

Keep in mind: with this you will still be misdirected if your DNS/hosts file is pointing the name into a different IP than it should be.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, how well does Wiktionary fare in this regard?

I use it primarily for cooking ingredients. The names on some unconventional grains and vegetables are easy to translate using this method and not always available in conventional dictionaries. It would also be useful for identifying cuts of meat, as US cuts and, for example, Italian cuts differ not only in name but in how they are made. Compare the images on this article for an example of what I mean: https://en.wik…

I own an illustrated encyclopedia of Italian food: there are 9 pages of regional cuts of beef!

That's what you get in a country that unified 160 years ago...

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Why does Google censor results, but not Wikipedia? It seems like you can DMCA Wikipedia just as easily as Google.

Overall this is a nifty hack and I like it a lot. Wikipedia has an edit history, and a DNS changelog is something that is very interesting to have. People can change things and phish users of this service, of course, but with the edit log you can see when and potentially why. That kind of transparency is pretty scary to someone that wants to do something malicious or nefarious.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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There's a risk of phishing by editing Wikipedia articles if the plugin gets popular. Perhaps it's useful to crosscheck the current URL against the 24-hour earlier and 48-hour earlier versions of the same article. Crosscheck back in time, not back in revision, since one can spam the history by making a lot of edits.

I believe the German version of Wikipedia had(has?) a feature where you only get verified versions of a page when you browse it anonymously.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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post #4

Interesting idea but: - How do you handle ambiguity? e.g what happens when sci-hub.idk and scihub.idk differ? - Aren’t you concerned by the fact that Wikipedia is open to editing by the public?

> Aren’t you concerned by the fact that Wikipedia is open to editing by the public? Arguably the thrill of uncertainty could add to the fun :D

This was the appeal of StumbleUpon.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

#70

Why does Google censor results, but not Wikipedia? It seems like you can DMCA Wikipedia just as easily as Google. Overall this is a nifty hack and I like it a lot. Wikipedia has an edit history, and a DNS changelog is something that is very interesting to have. People can change things and phish users of this service, of course, but with the edit log you can see when and potentially why. That kind of transparency is…

Google also sells copyrighted content, Wikipedia doesn't.
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