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Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Post by skissane »

hobofan wrote: post #38
captn3m0 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe use WikiData? The slower rate of updates might work in your favour to avoid vandalism.

I was going to say "The Wikipedia page uses the data from Wikidata", as I thought I had seen that in the past. Turns out that it's not the case, and after picking a few samples, it looks like Wikidata is barely put in use in Wikipedia (aside from the inter-wiki links).

A lot of Wikipedia templates now pull data from Wikidata – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Templates_using_data_...

In the case of the Sci-Hub article, it actually would pull the website address from Wikidata, except that the article has been configured to override the Wikidata website address data with its own. Heaps of articles do this – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Official_website_diff... – but I understand the aim is to try to reduce the number of those cases over time.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Post by greenpresident »

nitrogen wrote: post #29
frei wrote: post #18

Pretty neat! Similarly, I often use Wikipedia to find translations for specific technical terms that aren't in bilingual dictionaries or Google Translate. If you go to a wiki page about a term, there are usually many links on the sidebar to versions in other languages, which are usually titled with the canonical term in that language.

Out of curiosity, how well does Wiktionary fare in this regard?

I use it primarily for cooking ingredients. The names on some unconventional grains and vegetables are easy to translate using this method and not always available in conventional dictionaries.

It would also be useful for identifying cuts of meat, as US cuts and, for example, Italian cuts differ not only in name but in how they are made. Compare the images on this article for an example of what I mean:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_of_beef

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Post by shp0ngle »

jonchurch_ wrote: post #27
jakear wrote: post #26

> If you Google "Piratebay", the first search result is a fake "thepirate-bay.org" (with a dash) but the Wikipedia article lists the right one. — shpx How interesting. Bing doesn't do this, which leads me to believe it's not a matter of legality. Is Google simply electing to self-censor results that it'd prefer it's used not to know about? Strange move, especially given the alternative Google does index is almost def…

I'm not sure how long that's been the case. The actual site at their normal domain seems to have been down for a few months, with a 522 cloudflare timeout. I'm curious if that's the case for you as well, or if it's my ISP blocking (I wouldn't expect to see the cloudflare error if my ISP was blocking but I don't know). I bring this up because if the site is unresponsive from wherever you're searching (or perhaps unres…

That's the case for me for months now. I have no idea where do the proxies and mirrors even take the content from.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Post by shp0ngle »

onion2k wrote: post #34
jonchurch_ wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how long that's been the case. The actual site at their normal domain seems to have been down for a few months, with a 522 cloudflare timeout. I'm curious if that's the case for you as well, or if it's my ISP blocking (I wouldn't expect to see the cloudflare error if my ISP was blocking but I don't know). I bring this up because if the site is unresponsive from wherever you're searching (or perhaps unres…

For me the address on Wikipedia times out with a 522 in exactly the same way. Bing's top result of the .party address works fine. I strongly suspect this is an ISP issue, but it is interesting that Google seems to have no knowledge of the .party domain.

Is the .party actual official website, or is it just a proxy too?

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Post by shp0ngle »

el_nino wrote: post #36
onion2k wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me the address on Wikipedia times out with a 522 in exactly the same way. Bing's top result of the .party address works fine. I strongly suspect this is an ISP issue, but it is interesting that Google seems to have no knowledge of the .party domain.

Just tested over Tor and it works: piratebayztemzmv.onion P.S. Yes, it's their new official "readable" onion site link.

Note that this is their official website, not just another fake Tor proxy

https://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-moves-to-a-brand-new...

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

#46

Post by hobofan »

skissane wrote: post #41
hobofan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say "The Wikipedia page uses the data from Wikidata", as I thought I had seen that in the past. Turns out that it's not the case, and after picking a few samples, it looks like Wikidata is barely put in use in Wikipedia (aside from the inter-wiki links).

A lot of Wikipedia templates now pull data from Wikidata – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Templates_using_data_... In the case of the Sci-Hub article, it actually would pull the website address from Wikidata, except that the article has been configured to override the Wikidata website address data with its own. Heaps of articles do this – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Official_website_diff... – but I…

Yeah, via the overriding is how I came to the conclusion that it's not being used. I looked at the pages (specifically the infoboxes) and basically all values shown in the article were spelled out in the source. At the same time no Wikidata ID was present in the source (though I now realize that the template can automatically query that based on the page it's being used on).

> A lot of Wikipedia templates now pull data from Wikidata

It looks okay for the English wiki, but the others seem to trail behind quite a lot (though obviously number of best templates isn't a perfect metric).

English: 539 German: 128 Chinese: 93 French: 52 Swedish: 37 Spanish: 19

Given that only ~2200 English Wikipedia articles have their infobox completely from Wikidata (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_with_infobox...), it looks like Wikidata integration still has a long long way to go.

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Post by tomcooks »

jakear wrote: post #26

> If you Google "Piratebay", the first search result is a fake "thepirate-bay.org" (with a dash) but the Wikipedia article lists the right one. — shpx How interesting. Bing doesn't do this, which leads me to believe it's not a matter of legality. Is Google simply electing to self-censor results that it'd prefer it's used not to know about? Strange move, especially given the alternative Google does index is almost def…

Google does list proper pirating sites!

At the bottom of the page click on the DMCA complaint, you'll find all the URLs you shouldn't ever, never ever, click on~

Re: Show HN: DNS over Wikipedia

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Post by kelnos »

sm4rk0 wrote: post #49

Nice hack, but you can do it much easier with DuckDuckGo's "I'm Feeling Ducky", which is used by prefixing the search with a backslash: https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=%5Chacker%20news That's especially useful if DDG is default search engine in your browser. (I'm not affiliated with DDG)

That just takes you to the first DDG result, no?

The purpose of this seems to be to treat Wikipedia as a trusted, reliable source of truth about the canonical URL for websites (debatable, of course). The idea is that you don't trust the search engines, perhaps because you live in a country where your government has required search engines to censor results in some way, but (for some reason?) lets you go to Wikipedia.

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