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Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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It's more likely ivermectin, FDA/WHO approved, cheap, well tested on both animals and humans and aggressive against covid19 in virto

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016635422...

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/82/8/editorial30804html...

every dog, cat and horse that is on heartworm medication is already using it

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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Prevent Senior in Brazil, an health operator with mosts of its patients on risk groups (60+ yo) are using hydroxychloroquine on all its COVID-19 patients with tremendous success. Right now I choose to believe on MD in front line rather then in Health Societies, FDA, WHO and those bureaucrats who let the virus spread all around due to its incompetence

Do you have a reference for this?

He heard it from someone on the internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If there was any effect of this drug on COVID-19, it was minimal. Hydroxychloroquine, whose toxicity is far lower, may be safer than chloroquine. But that doesn't matter if the drugs are ineffective." What's political about that? The whole idea that if there were a simple and cheap cure that it would be politicized to the point where it won't see widespread application is ridiculous.

> What's political about that? Then why does the title say that Hydroxychloroquine "probably" isn't the answer? It either works or it doesn't. If the drugs are ineffective just say so. Why beat around the bush with a "probably"?

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Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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Prevent Senior in Brazil, an health operator with mosts of its patients on risk groups (60+ yo) are using hydroxychloroquine on all its COVID-19 patients with tremendous success. Right now I choose to believe on MD in front line rather then in Health Societies, FDA, WHO and those bureaucrats who let the virus spread all around due to its incompetence

as we say on the internet, [citation needed]

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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Has anyone noticed that the CDC’s reported deaths by week from ordinary flu and pneumonia have been plummeting while COVID-19 death rise? They are down from the normal 4.5k+ per week during this period to around 2.3k per week and they are falling parabolically as COVID-19 expands. What could cause this?

your tone is very conspiracist, which i suggest you reevaluate.

an innocent answer, of course, is that physical distancing works.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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Prevent Senior in Brazil, an health operator with mosts of its patients on risk groups (60+ yo) are using hydroxychloroquine on all its COVID-19 patients with tremendous success. Right now I choose to believe on MD in front line rather then in Health Societies, FDA, WHO and those bureaucrats who let the virus spread all around due to its incompetence

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Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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post #16

Not to diminish the possible successes, but without a randomized control trial, there is no way the success can reliably be attributed to the medications. That's not to say they should stop prescribing it, simply due to lack of formal trials. But the perceived benefits should not be taken at face value, yet.

> but without a randomized control trial, there is no way the success can reliably be attributed to the medications

That's non-sense, if everyone that had cancer got cured by a miracle drug, would you still demand a randomized control trial?

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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Collectively, we need to get over the idea of all-or-nothing solutions to Coronavirus. We're not going to wake up one day with a "cure" for COVID-19. No one in the medical field actually expects Hydroxychloroquine to produce miraculous recoveries at this point. The idea is that any treatment that slows the progress of the infection will also buy the patient's immune system more time to fight the infection. If we can…

> The idea is that any treatment that slows the progress of the infection will also buy the patient's immune system more time to fight the infection.

Is there any serious trial that shows that Hydroxychloroquine has any effect at all?

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

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Has anyone noticed that the CDC’s reported deaths by week from ordinary flu and pneumonia have been plummeting while COVID-19 death rise? They are down from the normal 4.5k+ per week during this period to around 2.3k per week and they are falling parabolically as COVID-19 expands. What could cause this?

The Danish Serum Institute runs a “sentinel” testing programme for the common flu, and they note in their report about covid-19 last week (available in Danish) that the common flu has mostly been eliminated since the social distancing and lockdown measure were implemented. They interpret this a leading indicator for the reduction in covid-19 since it has a similar transmission mechanism.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Probably Isn’t the Answer

#30

Collectively, we need to get over the idea of all-or-nothing solutions to Coronavirus. We're not going to wake up one day with a "cure" for COVID-19. No one in the medical field actually expects Hydroxychloroquine to produce miraculous recoveries at this point. The idea is that any treatment that slows the progress of the infection will also buy the patient's immune system more time to fight the infection. If we can…

> The idea is that any treatment that slows the progress of the infection will also buy the patient's immune system more time to fight the infection. Is there any serious trial that shows that Hydroxychloroquine has any effect at all?

Double blind peer reviewed trials are a good goal but in the middle of a crisis you can't let a desire for perfection get in the way of the good. There is enough imperfect evidence that this treatment stack (that is, several drugs used in combination with hydroxychloroquine) has benefits that it should be considered a potential part of a solution. Waiting a couple of years for perfect studies to be carefully conducted is waiting until the crisis is over and the treatment moot. What is well known are the side effects of this drug, their likelyhood, and how to ameliorate them.
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