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When Smart People are Bad Employees

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Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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There is another important example that the author didn't mention. The inquisitor. Anyone who's been in the workforce long enough knows the guy who can't ever accept the directions he gets without questioning every aspect of the decision. Also, this person tends to have a problem with authority and will always test his or her boundaries. That said they tend to be among the most creative thinkers in the entire company…

I'd say many more people have the opposite problem, where they won't take the initiative to clarify stuff they don't understand, either because they don't anticipate miscommunications, don't care, or are too intimidated.

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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Is the layout of this site borked for any other Chrome users?

Looks fine in Firefox, but the layout (sidebar & header) are gone in (my) Chrome OS X. Want to be sure it's not a script-blocking or ad-blocking plugin doing it (I think I disabled them all).

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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post #12

Is the layout of this site borked for any other Chrome users? Looks fine in Firefox, but the layout (sidebar & header) are gone in (my) Chrome OS X. Want to be sure it's not a script-blocking or ad-blocking plugin doing it (I think I disabled them all).

Looks fine to me.

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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"The Heretic: Specifically, he builds his case that the company is hopeless and run by a bunch of morons."

Statistically speaking, the employee is probably right. But at most companies, building a case for this is an exercise in tautology. Maybe take him seriously and at least make it look like you are being proactive about his issues.

"The Flake: ... he completed the project in 72 hours." He did two weeks of coding in 3 days. If he doesn't show up for the next two weeks, and the product had no major flaws, who cares?

Drug addiction and mental disorder are a separate issue, in my opinion. If he is really as good as it seemed, it would have behooved the employer to get him into rehab/psychological treatment.

"The Jerk: ...sounds like House M.D." WHY did you put someone with no people skills in a management position? (Senior management to boot). It makes very little sense. Someone who is a jerk isn't going to be good at managing people. A jerk could be a great individual contributor, as long as the jerk does his work correctly.

I feel like it is more about making the right concessions given the individual, and making sure you don't put people into positions where their faults are amplified.

An analogy to this post would be finding that a puzzle piece doesn't go where you want to put it, and therefore declaring that it is a bad puzzle piece (even though it fits somewhere else just fine).

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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This post was great.. when I read it 2 months ago

What do you mean? You think it should not be mentioned ever again?

I wish there were a way to bring topics back and still retain the link to the previous discussion. Maybe years later, there would be new insight into this topic, but for a lot of stuff, the comments of 2 months ago are just as valid as anything you'd say today.

searchyc is great, but no one really finds new comments buried on old posts now. For topics which have lasting value (vs "what will apple release tomorrow"), some kind of curated repository of interesting articles would be great.

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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I once had an employer who seemed (to me) to prefer people who were (in my opinion) pretty inappropriate for their jobs because they had so little ability to do them. I found it very difficult to understand at the time, because I generally like to have people around who are better than me at most things, so I can concentrate on what I do best.

It was interesting over the years, though, to see what happened. That particular employer was a great believer that anyone can learn anything, and she was incredibly patient with some people who really were not gifted at all in their area of work.

Above all she valued loyalty (and in key areas, such as finance, she preferred absolute stupidity). I learned a lot from her. I saw that most of the clever people who were around left, often when they were most needed, whereas the slower, more loyal people were still there getting the job done. I also learned that loyalty and commitment are more valuable than brilliance. I saw that she liked stupid people in sensitive areas because then they couldn't mess up in any serious way. They made lots of small mistakes but they didn't have the ability to make big mistakes and they always asked whenever they didn't understand what they were doing.

Personally I think there is a balance here. I would find it hard to go as far as she did, but it certainly caused me to look at people decisions in a different way, which I would never have come up with if I hadn't seen her in action.

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh. I know that type well. A guy that I had hired as an intern many years ago was that type - to such a degree that once when asked to erect a shelf that we got for the IT lab was asking why it was using the type of screws that it came with and stopping and pondering this for several minutes. He is now a senior sys ad in the valley - and very very smart - but his challenges to authority and propensity to ask questio…

Haha, I used to be an employee like that. You know those methodologies like DDD, that say: 'understand the business problem before coding'. Well when I was doing it managers would go crazy and say I should not create confusion, but start working. Once to find 6 months later that a 15 men team hasn't done anything useful ... In all cases I can remember thinking and asking at the beginning was/would have been worth the…

The difference here was that the guy liked to try to be specifically obtuse and difficult.

It wasn't a matter of thinking through a problem before hand - it was an exercise in proving/looking smart.

Spending 5+ minutes consternating over the type of screws that came with the shelf is not "thinking ahead" :)

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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I once had an employer who seemed (to me) to prefer people who were (in my opinion) pretty inappropriate for their jobs because they had so little ability to do them. I found it very difficult to understand at the time, because I generally like to have people around who are better than me at most things, so I can concentrate on what I do best. It was interesting over the years, though, to see what happened. That part…

This is very true. I've seen it at all levels of BigCo.

Loyalty is the single most important quality in a bigCo and it works (unfortunately).

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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post #4

There is another important example that the author didn't mention. The inquisitor. Anyone who's been in the workforce long enough knows the guy who can't ever accept the directions he gets without questioning every aspect of the decision. Also, this person tends to have a problem with authority and will always test his or her boundaries. That said they tend to be among the most creative thinkers in the entire company…

This kind of guy usually needs to lead or he is probably smarter than everyone else in the room.

Re: When Smart People are Bad Employees

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I once had an employer who seemed (to me) to prefer people who were (in my opinion) pretty inappropriate for their jobs because they had so little ability to do them. I found it very difficult to understand at the time, because I generally like to have people around who are better than me at most things, so I can concentrate on what I do best. It was interesting over the years, though, to see what happened. That part…

This is very true. I've seen it at all levels of BigCo. Loyalty is the single most important quality in a bigCo and it works (unfortunately).

The reasons I won't be an exec at a bigCo-

- I don't watch or care to talk sports. - I don't / won't hunt wildlife. - I don't discuss female anatomy freely.

I live in Houston, so most big employers are energy related. It is still somewhat of a good ol boy network and even though I'm now at a small company I see all 3 in equal parts quite often.

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