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Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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In the case of ads, arguably negative social value.

Connecting people to goods and services they may want or need in a targeted way that tries to make them more relevant seems positive if anything to me.

Good thing we have search engines. If I want to find a good or service, I'll go look up reviews or the like. Ads only serve to sell me things that I don't need, in the vast majority of cases. I think it's fair to say that making people want more stuff is socially negative.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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So correct, that I distinctively remember learning it from school books in English class in Germany.

Germans tend to pronounce A's in English as if they were E's ("cat" is pronounced as "k-eh-t" instead of "k-ah-t" -- which I don't really understand since A in German is pronounced as "ah"), so I'm not sure if everything you learned in English class is correct ;-)

Perhaps it is the american accent they are taught, americans would say keht. I always thought it was strange football was fussball in german, yet they'd call in soccer in english.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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I see no reason to think Ginsberg originated the phrase "best minds of a generation," but it doesn't appear cliche enough of a phrase to even have an etymology I could look up.

Come on. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/06/12/click/

First, that's a different, much more specific variation that is clearly from Howl. I have heard the phrase "the best minds of a generation" in old movies and books before, but they would have been around 1950 so maybe Howl came first. Second, your link isn't actually about the Howl quote anyway, which makes me suspicious that you didn't even read the link you posted. The link investigates a quote from 2011 that contains a play on the first line of Howl and investigates that quote, not Howl, nor the phrase which appears in Howl that we're discussing.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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I see no reason to think Ginsberg originated the phrase "best minds of a generation," but it doesn't appear cliche enough of a phrase to even have an etymology I could look up.

Yeah we shouldn't credit anyone for popularizing anything unless they were the absolute first to fathom the idea.

I didn't say that. I didn't even suggest that he didn't create the term. I just said that there's no reason to assume, just because a phrase exists in famous work of art, that it is the origin or popularizer of the phrase. The person I was responding to said it was interesting to learn the origin of the phrase, except no one actually posted anything indicating it was the origin. It just contained it. Maybe it's the origin. I'd be interested in a good source for it. But the normal places I go to to get reliable etymologies (there are plenty of terrible sources for etymologies, unfortunately) don't have that phrase in there.

In other words, I was saying "that's a bad assumption, but I can't actually confirm or deny whether the conclusion is true."

I don't know where you or other people responding to me got the idea that I was saying anything other than exactly what I said. I'm not sure where the breakdown in meaning has occurred.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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Some top doctors can earn at least nba coach level figures. Frontline workers testing people will never make that amount because the skill level is lower so more people can do the work. If everyone refused and only a handful of people were left they couldn't reproduce the same impact anyhow and the program would close instead of paying them millions. Together they have a big impact and one on one they have a big impa…

>Some top doctors can earn at least nba coach level figures // Ethically?

Sure everything from plastic surgeons to heart specialists. Not everyone has to be a doctor to the stars or go on shark tank to make millions. Does your local walkin clinic doctor make that? No, but would make 500k before expensives.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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Connecting people to goods and services they may want or need in a targeted way that tries to make them more relevant seems positive if anything to me.

Good thing we have search engines. If I want to find a good or service, I'll go look up reviews or the like. Ads only serve to sell me things that I don't need, in the vast majority of cases. I think it's fair to say that making people want more stuff is socially negative.

> making people want more stuff is socially negative

I don't really think so in the general case. Personally I've eaten a lot of food I found out about from ads and wouldn't have known I wanted otherwise, and I'm glad iit happened.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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post #91

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So correct, that I distinctively remember learning it from school books in English class in Germany.

Germans tend to pronounce A's in English as if they were E's ("cat" is pronounced as "k-eh-t" instead of "k-ah-t" -- which I don't really understand since A in German is pronounced as "ah"), so I'm not sure if everything you learned in English class is correct ;-)

English class in Germany told me to pronounce it the "k-ah-t" way because they were primarily teaching British English, but I think a lot of exposure to US Media brings people to pronounce it "k-eh-t" (and maybe overdoing it in trying to do so).

That's another thing I distinctively remember from English class in Germany, being taught the British pronunciation that, at that young age, was much less familiar to me than American pronunciation, and some slight confusion around that.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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Good thing we have search engines. If I want to find a good or service, I'll go look up reviews or the like. Ads only serve to sell me things that I don't need, in the vast majority of cases. I think it's fair to say that making people want more stuff is socially negative.

> making people want more stuff is socially negative I don't really think so in the general case. Personally I've eaten a lot of food I found out about from ads and wouldn't have known I wanted otherwise, and I'm glad iit happened.

If you want to try new foods, that's cool, I do too. Read local food reviews.

But if ads convince you to try 47 different restaurants and that otherwise you would have been perfectly happy to eat at home, then the ads did a disservice to society.

Re: How we recovered $300k of Bitcoin

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post #184

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Come on. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/06/12/click/

First, that's a different, much more specific variation that is clearly from Howl. I have heard the phrase "the best minds of a generation" in old movies and books before, but they would have been around 1950 so maybe Howl came first. Second, your link isn't actually about the Howl quote anyway, which makes me suspicious that you didn't even read the link you posted. The link investigates a quote from 2011 that conta…

We are discussing the quotation from 2011. See the original comment upthread which reads 'How did that saying about "brightest minds working on ads" go?'

The comment by DavidAdams to which you replied was thanking someone for mentioning the Ginsberg connection in relation to the topic under discussion, i.e. the 2011 'framing' which unambiguously draws on Ginsberg.

I think you're just making trouble, to be honest.

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