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Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by lern_too_spel »

jessaustin wrote: post #28
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in favor of paper ballots too! But surely you see why it's more concerning to say "alright, elections are cancelled, and we won't hold an election again until unaccountable public health experts make a subjective judgment that it's safe". What would happen if they don't?

I'm not sure what would happen... The people can't really do much marching now , can we? If we were to march in these perilous times, we wouldn't waste it on Hidin' Joe Biden. Anyway, elections as currently practiced are more important to TPTB than to the people. The show must go on.

Or maybe instead of some cabal of TPTB keeping Bernie down, maybe people just don't like Bernie. Have you considered that? I think some of Bernie's ideas are fine, though his priorities are backwards. What I can't stand about him though is that he encourages raving conspiracy theorists. McCain shut that down when his running mate encouraged people to shout conspiracy theories at his rallies. Trump and Sanders revel in it.

I don't particularly like Biden either, but he's far and away better than the alternatives.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by JadeNB »

lower wrote: post #27
shartshooter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that if airlines stop running flights they may lose their access to a given airport or terminal. So they run flights even if they aren't full or in major demand.

> My understanding is that if airlines stop running flights they may lose their access to a given airport or terminal. This used to be the case, but the relevant rule has now been suspended. https://www.euractiv.com/section/aviation/news/eu-council-jo...

> This used to be the case, but the relevant rule has now been suspended.

Your sibling commenter gambiting (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22782078) points out that, as your link shows, the suspension is an EU, not a UK, decision.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

#33

Post by jessaustin »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #30
jessaustin wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Democracy"? Is that what we're talking about? Read the transcript: "We're gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we're gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have -- and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we're gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That's not the way it was done. But they co…

You need to work on your reading comprehension. That is an argument for why the plaintiffs don't have standing. That is not a description of what the defendants had done or even what the defendants wanted to do. Your poor comprehension has turned you into a conspiracy theorist.

My interpretation of that passage is the same as that of the plaintiff's attorney and the court.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by gjs278 »

sambull wrote: post #5
jessaustin wrote: post #3

Wow I wish our executive branch actually did take orders from Russia, per the fantasy we all enjoyed for three years. They're certainly taking the situation more seriously than we are. After several states held disastrous primary elections over the last two weeks, Wisconsin is set to hold another one this week!

Amazing, in the same paragraph, acquiescence of power to a foreign state and a plea to end democracy.

amazing, a clueless internet poster

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by Retric »

lolc wrote: post #24

Is it reasonable to assume, at this point, that international travel is still a relevant contributor to the spread of the virus? Apart from reducing travel overall, I don't see how the ban could have an impact once the virus is distributed. Especially since domestic flights seem to continue. Initially, yes. It could have changed things. But this action now feels way too late. Like two months late. It feels like a nat…

I suspect it’s the airports and aircraft themselves rather than the destination that’s at issue. Small isolated groups may become infected, but they are far less likely to infect others outside the group. Airports inherently mix people from large areas within a country together which crosses those boundaries.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by lower »

JadeNB wrote: post #32
lower wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My understanding is that if airlines stop running flights they may lose their access to a given airport or terminal. This used to be the case, but the relevant rule has now been suspended. https://www.euractiv.com/section/aviation/news/eu-council-jo...

> This used to be the case, but the relevant rule has now been suspended. Your sibling commenter gambiting ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22782078 ) points out that, as your link shows, the suspension is an EU, not a UK, decision.

The UK is still bound to the EU rules until the end of the year.

Here is an article stating this explicitly in connection to the "ghost flight" rules: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/10/eu-airlines...

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by chrisseaton »

lolc wrote: post #24

Is it reasonable to assume, at this point, that international travel is still a relevant contributor to the spread of the virus? Apart from reducing travel overall, I don't see how the ban could have an impact once the virus is distributed. Especially since domestic flights seem to continue. Initially, yes. It could have changed things. But this action now feels way too late. Like two months late. It feels like a nat…

How can you possibly fly while social-distancing? Even in first class.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by jessaustin »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #31
jessaustin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what would happen... The people can't really do much marching now , can we? If we were to march in these perilous times, we wouldn't waste it on Hidin' Joe Biden. Anyway, elections as currently practiced are more important to TPTB than to the people. The show must go on.

Or maybe instead of some cabal of TPTB keeping Bernie down, maybe people just don't like Bernie. Have you considered that? I think some of Bernie's ideas are fine, though his priorities are backwards. What I can't stand about him though is that he encourages raving conspiracy theorists. McCain shut that down when his running mate encouraged people to shout conspiracy theories at his rallies. Trump and Sanders revel i…

Obviously superior alternatives who ran this year: Gabbard, Sanders, Warren, Booker, Castro, de Blasio, Gravel. Plausibly superior such alternatives: Klobuchar, Harris, Gillebrand, Hickenlooper, Inslee, Bullock.

One could have predicted Biden would run in 2020 several decades ago, since after all he has run for president every other decade for the last five decades. The 2040s are not looking good... Whom do we have to bribe to get some new blood in the Democratic Party? Instead, against the original p####-grabber, they're running... another p####-grabber. [0] Good grief.

[0] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up...

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by LatteLazy »

gambiting wrote: post #14
LatteLazy wrote: post #4

Lots of countries have. I was on one of the last flights to transit through Taiwan. Here in the UK, the government have been talking about a program to get brits back from Australia because many of the places you have to stop and refuel are closed even to transiting passengers. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-travel-re... https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/australia/return-to...

Weirdly enough, I had a quick look at Heathrow arrivals and departures, and there's still loads of flights leaving every 10 minutes, to all kinds of destinations. Multiple flights per day to Rome - I guess if you absolutely, positively have to be in Italy right now! In comparison, my local airport in North of England had a single flight the entire day.

When I came back to Gatwick, they were still listing flights from 12h before (100s of them) as "delayed". I think the system they use is pre populated long in advance...

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by jakub_g »

gambiting wrote: post #14
LatteLazy wrote: post #4

Lots of countries have. I was on one of the last flights to transit through Taiwan. Here in the UK, the government have been talking about a program to get brits back from Australia because many of the places you have to stop and refuel are closed even to transiting passengers. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-travel-re... https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/australia/return-to...

Weirdly enough, I had a quick look at Heathrow arrivals and departures, and there's still loads of flights leaving every 10 minutes, to all kinds of destinations. Multiple flights per day to Rome - I guess if you absolutely, positively have to be in Italy right now! In comparison, my local airport in North of England had a single flight the entire day.

Sometimes the flights are allowed to fly one way but not another.

Overall the flights are ~88% down year-to-year in European space.

https://twitter.com/eurocontrolDG/status/1245620098754207744

> skeleton schedules, cargo, repatriation & maintenance flights make up most of what's left

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